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Old 03-09-2012, 08:13 AM   #99
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Who cares It's 13 years old. It has lived its life; Its over ;;;;;;;;; The owner won't let it die ... My goodness; In my shop when I had customers That were a constant Problem. I gave them ther money back and said go and please DON"T come back;; Maybe someone will get the message.. ??????
So 13 years is the end of this motorhome's life span? For the rust problem to get his bad took several years so should we say 10,9, 8 or even a 5 year life span when rust first starts appearing. I am sure the owner expected a lot more life. Their are still a lot of 90's vintage motorhomes on the road today. Perhaps Winnie should do the same thing and give everyone with rusted windshields their money back.
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Old 03-09-2012, 02:06 PM   #100
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PLease don't take things out of context;; . Of all the coach manufactures Winnebago Is the only one that uses the in cab steel cage. ( excluding the highline Provost ETC. ). If you feel the rust Dead horse, needs to beat them by all means buy a model that uses wood for there Cab enclosure;;; Look no rust ; It just rotted and the windshild fell out;; Now I can blame the darn wood.. LET IT REST::::
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PLease don't take things out of context;; . Of all the coach manufactures Winnebago Is the only one that uses the in cab steel cage. ( excluding the highline Provost ETC. ). If you feel the rust Dead horse, needs to beat them by all means buy a model that uses wood for there Cab enclosure
While I agree to some extent that the rusting frame is a problem, I have NEVER heard of a Winnebago/Itasca windshield popping out/falling out on the highway ...but have definitely heard of other brands having that problem!!
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Old 04-28-2012, 12:05 PM   #102
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PLease don't take things out of context;; . Of all the coach manufactures Winnebago Is the only one that uses the in cab steel cage. ( excluding the highline Provost ETC. ). If you feel the rust Dead horse, needs to beat them by all means buy a model that uses wood for there Cab enclosure;;; Look no rust ; It just rotted and the windshild fell out;; Now I can blame the darn wood.. LET IT REST::::
Bachler - If you don't work for Winnebago, or one of its suppliers, or own stock then I am a monkey's uncle. Your bias is as clear as day. Your comments are as predictable as rain and your motives are clear. Thank you for your care and concern for all of those who have been wronged to such a degree by this company.
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I at one time had 49 employees;;Working for me. And things were/are dome in manufacturing to show a profit; And every one will try to do the best they can with the alloted time to make a product; Most products Have a life expectancey, What is it for cars 7/11 years Driving your house down the road (motorhome) 6/10.years Tires 3/7 years; I do NOT condone sloppy work. If my water heater starts leaking after 10 years I for one will NOT Call the Maker bad names Because I THOUGHT it should last For 20 years;; My friend wanted to live to be 100 years old He died at 39 years old.. I do not wish to attack anyone. And would feel much If it were not done to me.. There is a place for that and it is NOT on this forum. Thanks , Life is good , And NOT forever,,
One of the main stories in this month's MotorHome magazine is about a 1982 Sceptre diesel pusher motorhome. The story centered on how well built the rig was and how much care went into its manufacture by its builder, Apollo Motor Homes. It shows that things that are built right not only CAN last but DO. To expect a $200,000 rig to last 10 years is not unreasonable. To expect it to last 20 years is not unreasonable. We no longer have the luxury of living in a throw-away, planned obsolescence society. My father's 1988 Fleetwood C class is in unbelieveable condition because care was taken in its manufacture and care was excercised in its maintenance. My family has always believed that something well cared for should last a long time. That's why I spent A LOT of money to build an RV garage - To protect my RV. If I had not caught my rust problem when I did, all of my care and maintence would have been a fruitless excercise. So my message in short is that things that are built well should last forever, just like the 30 year old Sceptre in the magazine.
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One of the main stories in this month's MotorHome magazine is about a 1982 Sceptre diesel pusher motorhome. The story centered on how well built the rig was and how much care went into its manufacture by its builder, Apollo Motor Homes. It shows that things that are built right not only CAN last but DO. To expect a $200,000 rig to last 10 years is not unreasonable. To expect it to last 20 years is not unreasonable. We no longer have the luxury of living in a throw-away, planned obsolescence society. My father's 1988 Fleetwood C class is in unbelieveable condition because care was taken in its manufacture and care was excercised in its maintenance. My family has always believed that something well cared for should last a long time. That's why I spent A LOT of money to build an RV garage - To protect my RV. If I had not caught my rust problem when I did, all of my care and maintence would have been a fruitless excercise. So my message in short is that things that are built well should last forever, just like the 30 year old Sceptre in the magazine.
I think you missed the whole point on the Apollo Sceptre. It was a custom made Top of the Line coach that cost $200,000.00 back in 1982. That's the equivalent of approximately $800,000.00 in today’s money. The company only made 44 of them and went broke.

The coach hasn't been trouble free all these years. The current second owner has spent the last 4 years doing a complete refurbish including a new engine and transmission. They've in all probability spent more on their project that they could ever expect to recover should they decide to sell the thing.

While I don't condone inferior materials or sloppy work I also don't believe you can reasonably compare the 2 vehicles. There are reasons the Apollo cost what it did 30 years ago. It's like comparing a Chevrolet to a Rolls Royce.
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I still think Winnebago changed something for this problem with windshield frame rusting to occur in the past 10 years, our MH was 2 or 3 when the drivers side had to be cleaned and treated and is now 8 and the passenger side needs treated. Should have checked it before it started to leak since it was a known problem. Have heard of no one in the years previous to 2000 having this problem. Our front cap and side clear coat was redone in 05/06 but they didn't do the rear cap and it is gone. Another known problem. I have a 14 year old Chevy van and the clear coat and windshield are fine. Ya kinda expect a little more out of a $220,000 rig !!!!!!!
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I do not ; nor have I ever worked for Winnebago; However I play music And Put on 7 shows For them . at No charge. I have also been to 4 other manufacturing Plants and have entertained, at them. I only call/tell what I see. And I for One, American do not believe Most of the crap I hear . It seems some one alse is allways responceable/Blamed when they do not do, there Home work before;;; Not after the fact;; Please let this DIE; It will rest in Piece;;
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I think you missed the whole point on the Apollo Sceptre. It was a custom made Top of the Line coach that cost $200,000.00 back in 1982. That's the equivalent of approximately $800,000.00 in today’s money. The company only made 44 of them and went broke.

The coach hasn't been trouble free all these years. The current second owner has spent the last 4 years doing a complete refurbish including a new engine and transmission. They've in all probability spent more on their project that they could ever expect to recover should they decide to sell the thing.

While I don't condone inferior materials or sloppy work I also don't believe you can reasonably compare the 2 vehicles. There are reasons the Apollo cost what it did 30 years ago. It's like comparing a Chevrolet to a Rolls Royce.
The Sceptre reference was purely a rebuttal to Bachler's comment that "nothing lasts forever." Yes, the owners did upgrade the drivetrain and modernize the interior, but those were preference changes. And don't forget, I also threw in a Ford for comparison: My father's 1988 Fleetwood C, which cost $35,000 in 1988 and still looks and runs great 25 years later. Now back to my main point: If things are maintained and they are built right, they should last.
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I do not ; nor have I ever worked for Winnebago; However I play music And Put on 7 shows For them . at No charge. I have also been to 4 other manufacturing Plants and have entertained, at them. I only call/tell what I see. And I for One, American do not believe Most of the crap I hear . It seems some one alse is allways responceable/Blamed when they do not do, there Home work before;;; Not after the fact;; Please let this DIE; It will rest in Piece;;
So you used to own a big company, but now you're an entertainer? And you've done a bunch of shows at the Winnebago plants? That's interesting. So you've obviously had access to Winnebago's management - What is their excuse for the lack of quality control? Why haven't they backed their products that they improperly built? Why have they ignored the pleas of their loyal customers?

If you want this issue to 'die', all you have to do is encourage Winnebago management to respond to this thread. We'd all love to hear their side of this story.
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OK, wait. I'm just trying to keep this straight... You used to own a big company that did sheet metal work, but then you were an entertainer. And now you rent out a bunch of motorhomes. What the heck is going on here??? You've got an e-mail address on me. You know exactly who I am. We know absolutely nothing about you other than you have three entirely separate careers and you know the guys at Winnebago. So who are you Bachler? Really?
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Reguardless of what I have or don't have It has NO bearing on these Posts.. . Maybe I'm Reading to much between the lines, But it looks to me like someone is Laying the Groundwork for a Law suit. . . And that my Friends Is what I for one do not to be Involved with;;. I say do your Home work and the Buck stops HERE.. DO NOT USE THIS POST FOR THAT'.
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Reguardless of what I have or don't have It has NO bearing on these Posts.. . Maybe I'm Reading to much between the lines, But it looks to me like someone is Laying the Groundwork for a Law suit. . . And that my Friends Is what I for one do not to be Involved with;;. I say do your Home work and the Buck stops HERE.. DO NOT USE THIS POST FOR THAT'.
If that is what you think, then I refer you back to one of my earliest posts, where I say that my attorney advised that I NOT file a law suit. Now back to my question: Who exactly are you and why do you not care a whit about all of these loyal Winnebago customers that the company has neglected?
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