|
|
10-11-2014, 08:15 PM
|
#1
|
Senior Member
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: MI & AZ
Posts: 242
|
2014 Ventana - water pump switches stopped working. Workaround
We got ready to leave for the southwest yesterday. We had not used the water pump for a while since hooked to water. None of the four water pump switches would work. No green LEDS on the switches would light either. I found the fuse in the electric cabinet on the bathroom. Fuse good and monitor panel that is also on the fuse is working. I called Newmar Tech and explain the problem. He agrees to send out a replacement 'relay' and tells me where it is down beside the water pump.
WORKAROUND UNTIL THE RELAY BOARD ARRIVES.
I found the relay which is a small PC board about 1.5 in wide and maybe 4 inches tall. It has four terminals and spade clips with wires and two LEDS, a green and yellow. Neither LED lights when a pump switch is pressed. The terminals are labeled on the card as :
1/ 12 Volts with a second wire on this terminal going to the pump pressure switch. This pin and thus the pressure switch had 12 v on it.
2/ Switches - this pin and wire apparently comes from the four switches probably wired in series but I have no wiring diagram.
3/ Load - this pin had a single black wire that goes to the pump motor negative side.
4/ Ground - this pin had two wires both at ground potential.
I theorize that when one of the four momentary switchs is pressed to turn on the water pump a solid state relay picks and holds that transfers the ground to the load pin thus starting the pump if the pressure switch shows that water is needed. This was not happening and no LEDS light either on the PC board or the switch boards on the wall.
I just pulled the black wire off the pin labeled LOAD and attached it to a jumper I ran to ground and the pump works as it would with a switch on letting the pressure switch turn it on when water is run.
A simpler workaround would be to just run a very short jumper from the LOAD terminal to the GROUND terminal.
NOTE: Since the control is on the ground side the fuse for the pump in both workaround methods above is still in place protecting the circuit.
Ted
__________________
Ted & Ruth Ann Hindes - NKK AZ State Directors
2014 Newmar Ventana 4377, 1400 Watts of Solar, Air Force 1 Brake, 2014 Grand Cherokee Overland
|
|
|
|
Join the #1 RV Forum Today - It's Totally Free!
iRV2.com RV Community - Are you about to start a new improvement on your RV or need some help with some maintenance? Do you need advice on what products to buy? Or maybe you can give others some advice? No matter where you fit in you'll find that iRV2 is a great community to join. Best of all it's totally FREE!
You are currently viewing our boards as a guest so you have limited access to our community. Please take the time to register and you will gain a lot of great new features including; the ability to participate in discussions, network with other RV owners, see fewer ads, upload photographs, create an RV blog, send private messages and so much, much more!
|
10-11-2014, 11:19 PM
|
#2
|
Moderator Emeritus
Nor'easters Club Workhorse Chassis Owner iRV2 No Limits Club
Join Date: Oct 2004
Posts: 30,785
|
A ground is common to all switch's some place.
Wiring water pump, found in links below.
Many controls in a Newmar.
|
|
|
10-12-2014, 07:10 AM
|
#3
|
Senior Member
Newmar Owners Club
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Troy, MI
Posts: 637
|
The pump switches are wired parallel, so any one of them with a momentary closing (push) can switch the state of the controller. You did the right thing for a temporary fix.
__________________
Andy
2015 DSDP 4369 with HWH Active Air, 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee, Roadmaster tow bar, SMI AirForce One, Silverleaf VMSPc
|
|
|
10-12-2014, 02:37 PM
|
#4
|
"Formerly Diplomat Don"
Newmar Owners Club
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Moorpark, Ca.
Posts: 24,122
|
Ted.....After reading your post, we went out to the motor home today to clean it for an upcoming trip. My wife turned on the water pump...no water. All fuses are good.
I checked the latching controller in the water bay and I think's it's dead. The model is a C-Storm WPC145. I have power into the controller and when I connect an ohm meter and hit one of the water pump switches, I'm getting the ground that triggers the controller. It looks like it died.
I looked for one on the internet and it looks like Newmar may have found the cheapest one available. These things shouldn't die that easily. I couldn't find anyone selling one, just the company website that makes it and they don't even list it in their line of products.
On my Monaco, it had an Intellitec controller, looks the same, is the same 10 amp size and uses the same four connectors. I'm ordering one two day air and will look tomorrow for one locally when some of the RV parts stores open. I will carry a spare after this.
Ebay has two choices for the Intellitec 00-00145-100. One is sold by AnyRVparts.com. I went to their website and it's a few dollars cheaper.
__________________
Don & Mary
2019 Newmar Dutch Star 4018 (Freightliner)
2019 Ford Raptor
|
|
|
10-12-2014, 05:34 PM
|
#5
|
Moderator Emeritus
Nor'easters Club Workhorse Chassis Owner iRV2 No Limits Club
Join Date: Oct 2004
Posts: 30,785
|
The Intellitec one that I show has been in my coach for over ten years and never had a problem at four locations.
If you click on the picture in link provide it than will give you some place to order a new one.
Now that being said in the ten years I still have not found its location if I did have to replace it, believe me I have looked.
|
|
|
10-12-2014, 05:45 PM
|
#6
|
Senior Member
Country Coach Owners Club Solo Rvers Club iRV2 No Limits Club
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Vancouver, WA
Posts: 37,725
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by 007";2266835]The Intellitec one that I show has been in my coach for over ten years and never had a problem at four locations.
If you click on the picture in [B][URL="https://www.google.com/search?q=RV+intellitec+slide+controls&hl=en&prmd=i mvns&source=lnms&tbm=isch&ei=jU_NT4-xLPD16AG0q70v&sa=X&oi=mode_link&ct=mode&cd=2&sqi=2 &ved=0CGEQ_AUoAQ&biw=1236&bih=642&gws_rd=ssl
link provide[/URL][/B] it than will give you some place to order a new one.
Now that being said in the ten years I still have not found its location if I did have to replace it, believe me I have looked.
|
Yep, when we ordered our DSDP the Intelletic controller was only standard on the MADP so we opted for it. So far it's been working just fine for 12 years.
On ours it's behind the wet bay cover panel, right next to the water pump.
__________________
2009 45' Magna 630 w/Cummins ISX 650 HP/1950 Lbs Ft, HWH Active Air
Charter Good Sam Lifetime Member, FMCA,
RV'ing since 1957, NRA Benefactor Life, towing '21 Jeep JLU Rubicon Ecodiesel
|
|
|
10-12-2014, 06:45 PM
|
#7
|
"Formerly Diplomat Don"
Newmar Owners Club
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Moorpark, Ca.
Posts: 24,122
|
I'm going to try and get Newmar to send me the C-Storm under warranty and keep it as a spare.
__________________
Don & Mary
2019 Newmar Dutch Star 4018 (Freightliner)
2019 Ford Raptor
|
|
|
10-12-2014, 07:02 PM
|
#8
|
Senior Member
Newmar Owners Club Spartan Chassis
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Fort Myers, FL
Posts: 1,670
|
Mine went out a month ago as well and I ordered one directly from C-Storm Electronics, LLC. They were very helpful. Ask for Brandon (630) 406-1353. I think it was about $29 plus shipping. I did the same work around as tednruthy did in the interim.
Steve
__________________
Steve & Lisa
2022 Mountain Aire 4118
2024 JL Rubicon & 2019 Cherokee Trailhawk
|
|
|
10-12-2014, 07:26 PM
|
#9
|
Senior Member
Newmar Owners Club Spartan Chassis
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Portland, Oregon
Posts: 549
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by FLSteve
Mine went out a month ago as well and I ordered one directly from C-Storm Electronics, LLC. They were very helpful. Ask for Brandon (630) 406-1353. I think it was about $29 plus shipping. I did the same work around as tednruthy did in the interim.
Steve
|
Hi Steve,
I believe I have a similar problem. My green light flicks on and off no matter if I try to turn the switch off or not. I can hear a relay clicking like crazy behind the water compartment plate by the water pump. Thoughts?
Lorraine and I really appreciate all your help in organizing Hoot II and hope we can work it into our travel plans to attend Hoots III.
Aloha!
|
|
|
10-12-2014, 08:00 PM
|
#10
|
Senior Member
Newmar Owners Club Spartan Chassis
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Fort Myers, FL
Posts: 1,670
|
Lloydu ... that does not sound like the same issue. Can you tell if the water pump is trying to run or is running? Sounds like it might have something to do with the pressure sensor that turns the pump on/off as you use water.?
Steve
__________________
Steve & Lisa
2022 Mountain Aire 4118
2024 JL Rubicon & 2019 Cherokee Trailhawk
|
|
|
10-12-2014, 08:03 PM
|
#11
|
Senior Member
Newmar Owners Club Spartan Chassis
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Portland, Oregon
Posts: 549
|
Steve,
The water pump does and wants to run. Where is this sensor and how of I access it?
|
|
|
10-12-2014, 08:17 PM
|
#12
|
Senior Member
Newmar Owners Club Spartan Chassis
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Fort Myers, FL
Posts: 1,670
|
Lloydu ... I am not 100% sure but I think it might be on the discharge side of the pump and a part of the pump itself. Maybe someone that knows the answer will weight in.
Steve
__________________
Steve & Lisa
2022 Mountain Aire 4118
2024 JL Rubicon & 2019 Cherokee Trailhawk
|
|
|
10-13-2014, 03:51 AM
|
#13
|
Senior Member
Newmar Owners Club Spartan Chassis
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Fort Myers, FL
Posts: 1,670
|
Lloydu ... just thought of one more thing. I remember Deek mentioning that he had some kind of "air lock" in his system when he was leaving Hoots II. Wonder if it might be something like that?
Steve
__________________
Steve & Lisa
2022 Mountain Aire 4118
2024 JL Rubicon & 2019 Cherokee Trailhawk
|
|
|
10-13-2014, 12:04 PM
|
#14
|
"Formerly Diplomat Don"
Newmar Owners Club
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Moorpark, Ca.
Posts: 24,122
|
I'm amazed at Newmar's willingness to assist the owner over the phone. I called early this morning regarding the controller. I told them I had checked the system and determined the controller had failed. No questions, no hesitation......your part is on the way. I paid to upgrade to 2nd day air and it was shipped this morning.
Most manufacturers demand you drag the coach to a shop for diagnosis. What a pain on a simple problem. The parts guy says they don't always just ship parts, but in certain situations they do. I'm guessing Newmar saved $80.00 - $100 in warranty charges from the dealer. Smart business.
__________________
Don & Mary
2019 Newmar Dutch Star 4018 (Freightliner)
2019 Ford Raptor
|
|
|
|
|
Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
|
|
Posting Rules
|
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is Off
|
|
|
|
» Recent Discussions |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|