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Old 08-22-2019, 08:26 AM   #1
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2019 Dutchstar passenger seat could be dangerous for shorter individuals

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Took delivery of a 2019 Dutchstar. Wife did not notice during the short test drive but the seat belt does not fit correctly for a shorter person. The setup is not adjustable with the new integrated seats.

The seatbelt does not lie across the chest area but closer to the neck area.

However we discovered the 2020 seats have been changed to be more correct for a shorter person. The slit the seat belt comes from is now 1.5-1.75 inch vs almost 4” in a 2019. It is not just a comfort issue but a safety issue. We have now travelled close to 7,000 miles.

So be aware. The fact that it has been changed for 2020 tells me there were others who have had an issue.

No company changes things that quickly for no reason!
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Old 08-22-2019, 08:50 AM   #2
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Ok you just sent me to my passenger seat to get myself seat belted in. On our 2019 4018 Dutchstar the opening from which the belt deploys is 2.5 inches. I did add a little plastic seatbelt adjuster and a fuzzy wrap to velcro around the seatbelt. I am able to get that belt to cross down across my chest. I am 5' 4". My biggest annoyance is how far back the "lock into place" device is. I have to really bend around to see where to snap in the seatbelt. We have the standard Flexsteel passenger seat which is a queen size.
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Old 08-22-2019, 11:24 AM   #3
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Ok you just sent me to my passenger seat to get myself seat belted in. On our 2019 4018 Dutchstar the opening from which the belt deploys is 2.5 inches. I did add a little plastic seatbelt adjuster and a fuzzy wrap to velcro around the seatbelt. I am able to get that belt to cross down across my chest. I am 5' 4". My biggest annoyance is how far back the "lock into place" device is. I have to really bend around to see where to snap in the seatbelt. We have the standard Flexsteel passenger seat which is a queen size.
Is the 2.5” from the edge of the seat to the edge of the plastic guide?

Could you send a picture and where the 2.5” is measured from?

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Old 08-22-2019, 07:13 PM   #4
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yep I'll send a photo soon but what I measured was the plastic slot from which the belt pulls out on the seat back.
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Old 08-24-2019, 07:44 PM   #5
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My mom had this problem with her minivan. The solution was a seatbelt extender. A 5-6” mini lap belt. You connect 1 end into your seat buckle. Then connect shoulder belt to it.
Try pulling the shoulder belt across your chest and leave it 6 “ from the seat buckle.
Does the geometry work now?
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Keep in mind, the seat base lifts, while the backrest remains stationary. Have you lifted the seat to it's highest position?
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I picked up one of these...

https://www.amazon.com/Design-Should...%2C165&sr=8-16

Small learning curve on positioning it. It stays on the seatbelt, but slides to adjust. Works better than any other I’ve had.
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Keep in mind, the seat base lifts, while the backrest remains stationary. Have you lifted the seat to it's highest position?
Will try it. Thanks
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I picked up one of these...

https://www.amazon.com/Design-Should...%2C165&sr=8-16

Small learning curve on positioning it. It stays on the seatbelt, but slides to adjust. Works better than any other I’ve had.

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My mom had this problem with her minivan. The solution was a seatbelt extender. A 5-6” mini lap belt. You connect 1 end into your seat buckle. Then connect shoulder belt to it.
Try pulling the shoulder belt across your chest and leave it 6 “ from the seat buckle.
Does the geometry work now?
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Old 08-30-2019, 08:58 AM   #11
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Just keep in mind, while using any add on device, ask your self “ is this device safe”? What happens if when there’s an emergency and your thrown forward? Will the device remain attached or will it break or rip open?
While the risk is small it’s still there.
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Just keep in mind, while using any add on device, ask your self “ is this device safe”? What happens if when there’s an emergency and your thrown forward? Will the device remain attached or will it break or rip open?
While the risk is small it’s still there.
I agree we have purchased a few of the devices and will take delivery tomorrow. Test and then see what would happen in a emergency stop.

We sent a letter to Flexsteel explaining the situation and the safety concerns. They have now had 5 days to acknowledge or respond. As they say all I have heard is crickets.

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Ford offered seat belt extenders (as well as other manufactures) for their seat belts free of charge. They were deemed a safety device and supplied on request. The seat belt manufacturer of yours would be the root supplier but flexsteel would be the obvious starting point.
Possibly Newmar has these?
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Sorry for the delay in posting photo. But here it is with the seatbelt clip shown too.
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