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Old 04-24-2019, 08:29 PM   #1
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2020 New Aire: 35 ft or 33ft?

With the new 2020 35 foot New Aire with 450 HP and 1250 ft pounds, plus king bed and slightly larger bathroom, vs the 33 foot model with 360 HP and 800 ft pounds, with queen bed, will any 2020 New Aire buyers be purchasing the 33 foot models, or will 95% of buyers choose the 35 foot models? Does the new 35 foot model cause the trade-in and sales value of 33 foot models 4-5 years from now to drop faster than 35 foot models? Based on the 2020 build sheets, the MSRP on the 35 foot models is only about $32,000 higher; after applying a 25% purchase discount, the difference between a 35 foot and 33 foot is only about $24,000.

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Old 04-24-2019, 10:39 PM   #2
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2020 New Aire: 35 ft or 33ft?

We love our 33’ and have lived in it for months at a time. The 360 hp does a really good job and the floor plans are basically the same. The king vs queen was an unknown for us but turned out to be no problem. Not much added room anywhere else to be able to tell the difference. Two feet overall is not a lot but will make some difference in maneuverability. My guess is that with the dollar difference the 33 ft. will still find a strong market as will the 35. Newmar is currently the only source for a 33-35 ft. Luxury coach and thus the choices of length and price will both find plenty of takers. All JMHO of course but this segment has been vastly underserved and I think there is market for both.
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We love our 33’ and have lived in it for months at a time. The 360 hp does a really good job and the floor plans are basically the same. The king vs queen was an unknown for us but turned out to be no problem. Not much added room anywhere else to be able to tell the difference. Two feet overall is not a lot but will make some difference in maneuverability. My guess is that with the dollar difference the 33 ft. will still find a strong market as will the 35. Newmar is currently the only source for a 33-35 ft. Luxury coach and thus the choices of length and price will both find plenty of takers. All JMHO of course but this segment has been vastly underserved and I think there is market for both.
Will have to see all the specs. Bigger engine, more weight, longer wheel base and not much more diesel (95 gallons vs 75 gallons) and a bunch more water. Looking at the floor plans for the 3543 it is hard to see how the extra 24" changes the living experience except for the king bed. 3543 has a longer couch, small increase in size of bathroom and the king bed

It is hard to beat the 2018 NA with the 60 degree wheel cut. I am going to kick the tires on the 2020 3543 to see if anything compelling pops up. My constraint is fitting both an airplane and the NA in a hangar together. Barely works now with the 3343. Have my doubts a 3543 is going to fit in a 45x45 hangar.

With the specs available now it would appeart the 2020 NA3543 will get your king bed up mountain grade 5 to 10 miles an hour faster. That appears to be the bottom line. The 3543 is a nice complement to the New Aire line.

Given the extraordinary load carrying capacity of the 3343 I would much rather see a slight bigger motor, more diesel and water in the same 3343 form factor rather than a 24" stretch. That would require giving up the generous basement storage in the 3343.

By the way these coaches really need a cover just like airplanes. My NA3343 lives in a hanger most of the year. After 18 months it still look like new.
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With the new 2020 35 foot New Aire with 450 HP and 1250 ft pounds, plus king bed and slightly larger bathroom, vs the 33 foot model with 360 HP and 800 ft pounds, with queen bed, will any 2020 New Aire buyers be purchasing the 33 foot models, or will 95% of buyers choose the 35 foot models? Does the new 35 foot model cause the trade-in and sales value of 33 foot models 4-5 years from now to drop faster than 35 foot models? Based on the 2020 build sheets, the MSRP on the 35 foot models is only about $32,000 higher; after applying a 25% purchase discount, the difference between a 35 foot and 33 foot is only about $24,000.

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Old 04-25-2019, 05:26 AM   #5
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With the new 2020 35 foot New Aire with 450 HP and 1250 ft pounds, plus king bed and slightly larger bathroom, vs the 33 foot model with 360 HP and 800 ft pounds, with queen bed, will any 2020 New Aire buyers be purchasing the 33 foot models, or will 95% of buyers choose the 35 foot models? Does the new 35 foot model cause the trade-in and sales value of 33 foot models 4-5 years from now to drop faster than 35 foot models? Based on the 2020 build sheets, the MSRP on the 35 foot models is only about $32,000 higher; after applying a 25% purchase discount, the difference between a 35 foot and 33 foot is only about $24,000.

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Drifter Jake, I just got home from another nice trip in my 2018 New Aire 3341. I still marvel at its livability and how quiet and smooth it drives. I've had four other Class A's over the years and Comfort Steer is a game changer. It's that good. But, I want shorter, not longer. And, as usual, the shorter New Aire draws a crowd the minute you pull into a campground. There will always be a demand for a shorter luxury coach. In fact, my perfect build would be for a 32', that acutally measured 32' or under, not be so tall, have a queen bed, and have the 3341 floor plan with room to actually walk to the rear when the slides are in and have the most important feature, the ability to close off the bathroom from the galley for getting dressed and/or give your bedroom occupant privacy from whomever is up front when the other person gets up or goes to bed at a differenet time than the the person in the galley. I get up real early and I have three doors between me and my wife to provide a quieter sleeping area for her. I want shorter, not longer and I sure don't want a king bed. 2 feet seems so little but where do you stop. Why not have a 36', 37, or 38 . I had an Allegro Bus with the 450hp and added torque. I still crawled up the mountain and it tended to heat up. The only time I sometimes would like to have a bigger engine is when passing at 60-65 mph. You obviously need more distance. And, ONLY $24,000 more. There again, doesnt seem like much, but that $24,000 will buy you a nice toad or (whatever.). The demand for a shorter luxury coach will always be there. Newmar hit a home run with the New Aire, but everyone is different. My wife drives a white car. I prefer my black one. See what I mean.
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If you're gonna want to carry lots of "stuff" in your 2020 New Aire, better stick with the 33 ft'ers. All three 35 ft'ers are a bit skinny on the NCC.
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If you're gonna want to carry lots of "stuff" in your 2020 New Aire, better stick with the 33 ft'ers. All three 35 ft'ers are a bit skinny on the NCC.
Interesting...do you have the NCC’s for the 35’s?
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All-GF loved the NA 3341, but unless we ordered one, hated the dark wood that seemed to be in each one we looked at. So, we opted for the Ventana 3401, all electric coach, mostly the same stuff without all the fancy tech. Based on comments on this forum, I did add (still trying to get confirmation) Sky Ranger 3 w/router. My only got you is how long will current tech support that system (think 5G)? Already know, going to have to thin down with what we carry, no place to put it all. But, as mentioned, we wanted smaller unit, just better for the kind of traveling we are going to do. One thing, wish it had two sliding doors between bedroom and living room like the NA's do, again, I am up late, GF is early bird, guess will live with it.
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Interesting...do you have the NCC’s for the 35’s?
Here is the info from Transwest Truck Trailer RV on the 3541:

3541 New Aire Chassis Specs
Freightliner
Engine Model: L
Torque Rating: 1,250
Engine Displacement: 8.9L
Axle Ratio: 4.78
Transmission Model: 3000MH
Transmission Speeds: 6
Fuel Capacity: 90
Wheel Base: 226
Tire Brand: Michelin
Rear Hitch Rating: 10,000 LBS.
Rear Hitch Vertical: 1,000 LBS.
Front GAWR: 14,600 LBS.
Rear GAWR: 24,000 LBS.
GVWR: 38,600 LBS.
GCWR: 48,600 LBS.
Average NCC: 3,800 LBS.
Average UVW: 34,800 LBS.
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Here is the info from Transwest Truck Trailer RV on the 3541:

3541 New Aire Chassis Specs
Freightliner
Engine Model: L
Torque Rating: 1,250
Engine Displacement: 8.9L
Axle Ratio: 4.78
Transmission Model: 3000MH
Transmission Speeds: 6
Fuel Capacity: 90
Wheel Base: 226
Tire Brand: Michelin
Rear Hitch Rating: 10,000 LBS.
Rear Hitch Vertical: 1,000 LBS.
Front GAWR: 14,600 LBS.
Rear GAWR: 24,000 LBS.
GVWR: 38,600 LBS.
GCWR: 48,600 LBS.
Average NCC: 3,800 LBS.
Average UVW: 34,800 LBS.
Huge difference...quite a trade off. Trade cargo capacity for 2 extra feet, more liquid capacity and a bigger engine.

(2019 3341 NCC is 7,100 lbs)
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I too am curious to learn if they sell more 33 or 35 in this year.

I have not had my NA for long (weeks vs months). But so far, the length is ok for me. I left a 40 footer with enough floor space to walk two humans side-by-side from the drivers seat to the bedroom. If I could ask for any change, I wish there was more elbow room in the width category. Not sure how you all do it with 2 humans and a dog or two, bc I always seem to be crawling over my dog in the kitchen and at the entrance. Wish I had thought to option a standard passenger chair. The Queen chair (for me) is unnecessarily wide.

All said... I am ok with the lower price point found in the 33' length and if it is true I would loose storage in a 35'.. then that is deal breaker. I am still trying to organize my mega mobile junk drawer and can't image having less to work with.
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I would have been tempted if the 35' was available last year. We've gotten used to the queen bed, but the bathroom is tight, and a little more HP and larger fuel tank would be nice. Our 3345 is still a great ride, not really worried about resale value.
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I too am curious to learn if they sell more 33 or 35 in this year.

I have not had my NA for long (weeks vs months). But so far, the length is ok for me. I left a 40 footer with enough floor space to walk two humans side-by-side from the drivers seat to the bedroom. If I could ask for any change, I wish there was more elbow room in the width category. Not sure how you all do it with 2 humans and a dog or two, bc I always seem to be crawling over my dog in the kitchen and at the entrance. Wish I had thought to option a standard passenger chair. The Queen chair (for me) is unnecessarily wide.

All said... I am ok with the lower price point found in the 33' length and if it is true I would loose storage in a 35'.. then that is deal breaker. I am still trying to organize my mega mobile junk drawer and can't image having less to work with.
We have had our 2018 3341 for almost 1 year and continue to be extremely happy with our decision...we would do it over again (even today given the 35's). We chose the 3341 vs 3343 for the same reason RDVAN points out above...the ability to shut off the bathroom area from either the Bedroom OR Living area. Also, we felt the floor plan provided a more open living area (less tripping over each other) with easy access to the rear when the slides are in.

Do I feel the 35's will make the 33's obsolete? Absolutely not...particularly with the significantly different NCC values.
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All-GF loved the NA 3341, but unless we ordered one, hated the dark wood that seemed to be in each one we looked at. So, we opted for the Ventana 3401, all electric coach, mostly the same stuff without all the fancy tech. Based on comments on this forum, I did add (still trying to get confirmation) Sky Ranger 3 w/router. My only got you is how long will current tech support that system (think 5G)? Already know, going to have to thin down with what we carry, no place to put it all. But, as mentioned, we wanted smaller unit, just better for the kind of traveling we are going to do. One thing, wish it had two sliding doors between bedroom and living room like the NA's do, again, I am up late, GF is early bird, guess will live with it.
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Someone tried to correct me on my door count on the 3341. I said I had 3 doors between the sleeping area and living area thus allowing the bedroom occupant to shower/dress, get up in the middle of night for the pee break, etc., all without disturbing anyone in the front of the coach or them being able to see you. For me it was getting up very early, making coffee, etc. while my wife enjoyed the quiteness of the closed off bedroom area. Back to the math. You have two nice pocket doors to close AND the bathroom door to leave wide open. Leavng the bathroom door open gives you 3 doors, although not a tight fit, but it really helps to deflect sounds. Ever heard a Cuisinart Coffee pot making coffee at 4:00 am?'
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