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08-24-2019, 11:09 AM
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3 Front Window Awnings will not work.
Getting ready to leave camp in Bryce Canyon UT, the large window awning on the off door side would not retract. I then discovered the other 2 forward window awnings were inoperative as well. The 2 main Girard awnings and the bedroom window awings are ok. I checked the fuse F18 in the 1/2 bath and it was good. Also reset all three GFI switches in the 1/2 bath as well. I ended up pushing the awning in and zip tieing it shut the best I could, so it was drive able. Had to slice the silicone seal open between the side wall and the awning to get the zip ties in. Anyone else run into this issue?
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08-24-2019, 12:01 PM
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Are those 120v? I have the girard package and thought all awnings where 120v. Could be a GFI
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08-24-2019, 12:18 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by redbaron73
Are those 120v? I have the girard package and thought all awnings where 120v. Could be a GFI
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They are 120v and I reset every GFI I could find. 3 in the 1/2 bath and 1 on the kitchen ceiling next to the microwave. Mine is the 4018. I know you have the 4369. Are there more GFI switches?
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08-24-2019, 12:41 PM
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I am not aware of any others.
Once have cycled the breakers, the next step is to check the relays. It is odd that all 3 relays would be out so I am sure it is another gfi that we have not found.
The relay for the large awning is shown in these pictures.
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08-24-2019, 12:43 PM
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Do they have ignition cut offs? Did you try cycling the key?
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08-24-2019, 12:51 PM
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Another suspect area, this is where the rail awnings plug. You will see a box where 3 ignition cutouts are.
I was told this was related to air conditioner, but looking at the wiring I am thinking this is for awnings. I have 3 separate romex leaving, one towards door side and the other 2 going off door side.
The first junction box as power in and the various relays. It then feeds another junction box and a cable going to kitchen slide.
The other box goes off door side.
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08-24-2019, 01:23 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by redbaron73
Another suspect area, this is where the rail awnings plug. You will see a box where 3 ignition cutouts are.
I was told this was related to air conditioner, but looking at the wiring I am thinking this is for awnings. I have 3 separate romex leaving, one towards door side and the other 2 going off door side.
The first junction box as power in and the various relays. It then feeds another junction box and a cable going to kitchen slide.
The other box goes off door side. Attachment 257836
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When you say rail awnings are you referring to the two large Girard awnings on the door side (not window awnings)? I have 2 white boxes in my basement that plug in to 120V. Like the one at the bottom of your photo. I thought those are for those large awnings. Are you referring to the junction box with the yellow wires coming off the top? What should I look for with that box. Should I take the cover off that box and check for power? I have no other power issues in my coach other than the 3 window awnings. I haven't recycled all of the breakers in the bathroom cabinet. None of them seemed to be tripped, but I will try that. I have turned the ignition key off and on and that does nothing. RB thanks for taking your time on this. Jared
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08-24-2019, 02:43 PM
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Gfi by sink
TRY GFI by sink outlet.
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08-24-2019, 02:46 PM
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Rail awnings is what I called the 2 large main awnings...the Novas.
Since you only have 2 air conditioners, if your junction box has 3 plugs then I think we can safely dismiss this box being related to the air conditioner.
I have opened the box to see what's inside. I think a simple test would be to disconnect all 3 and see if that fixes your issue. I am just taking a wild guess on this, so it may not work or even be related. It is the only set of ignition disconnects that I cannot find an answer as to what they control.
Attached is a picture of the inside of that box.
I would cycle breakers first...that makes the most sense. Everything else I have posted is just guesswork.
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08-24-2019, 02:54 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by redbaron73
Rail awnings is what I called the 2 large main awnings...the Novas.
Since you only have 2 air conditioners, if your junction box has 3 plugs then I think we can safely dismiss this box being related to the air conditioner.
I have opened the box to see what's inside. I think a simple test would be to disconnect all 3 and see if that fixes your issue. I am just taking a wild guess on this, so it may not work or even be related. It is the only set of ignition disconnects that I cannot find an answer as to what they control.
Attached is a picture of the inside of that box.
I would cycle breakers first...that makes the most sense. Everything else I have posted is just guesswork. Attachment 257844
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Thanks again RB. My coach is in storage now so I will try this on Monday. Jared
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08-24-2019, 03:04 PM
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If it is a breaker, it will be the bottom group that is on the inverter.
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08-24-2019, 03:44 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by redbaron73
Rail awnings is what I called the 2 large main awnings...the Novas.
Since you only have 2 air conditioners, if your junction box has 3 plugs then I think we can safely dismiss this box being related to the air conditioner.
I have opened the box to see what's inside. I think a simple test would be to disconnect all 3 and see if that fixes your issue. I am just taking a wild guess on this, so it may not work or even be related. It is the only set of ignition disconnects that I cannot find an answer as to what they control.
Attached is a picture of the inside of that box.
I would cycle breakers first...that makes the most sense. Everything else I have posted is just guesswork. Attachment 257844
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I believe that box controls the compressors from the Power Control System aka PCI
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08-24-2019, 03:49 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Winepress
I believe that box controls the compressors from the Power Control System aka PCI
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Newmar did tell me this was related to the air conditioners, but I didn't understand how. The EMS cutoff makes sense. If that is the case then I would expect that the 4018 would only have 2 connectors here.
That leaves a big question as to where the power for awnings is controlled.
Sure do wish there was a diagram.
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08-24-2019, 10:41 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by redbaron73
Are those 120v? I have the girard package and thought all awnings where 120v. Could be a GFI
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Yes they are all 120V. My guess would also be GFI, Newmar is tricky in hiding GFI’s
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