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Old 03-13-2019, 07:11 PM   #1
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Lightbulb Adding a 50A surge protector to protect the cord reel from the CG

ARD (west coast pickle-ball champion) told me a CG she stayed at in AZ had a surge, probably a storm, but it took out her cord reel rendering her unable to get shore power. I have a Hughes Autoformer, Progressive Industries EMS 50A and the surge protected ATS but all are behind the cord reel. I wasn't aware the cord reel could get zapped and taken out of service and it's not cheap to replace. The cord is fine, the cord reel system is another story. I think Newmar wants over 1K for it (not sure if that's including the cable), I hear a 3rd party has them for about half that.

Irregardless she brings up a good point, surge protector between the CG and the cord reel to protect the cord reel. So I'm going to add even more protection by using an external surge protector now so I don't get a cord reel blown out.

I just ordered a Progressive Industries SSP-50XL as I don't need EMS, I just want surge protection external to the coach protecting the reel.

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I have a hardwired PI EMS just before the transfer switch. Additionally I use a portable PI surge only at the pedustal. Belt and suspenders.

The portable is also handy to do a basic check on the pedustal before going to the effort to put the coach on the site.
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I have the internal progressive, the AF, and use an external surge protector as well.
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Thanks Neal, I also wasn't aware of the cord real getting zapped. That's cheap insurance.
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pickle-ball ???? Whats that?
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Surge Protectors

Neal - I thought having two surge protectors in-line (at beginning of power cord and after cord reel) wasn’t recommended or worse, caused problems. Not sure where I heard this, but does this sound right?
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Therein lies one of the major problems in having a hard-wired surge suppressor; it doesn't protect the entirety of the electrical system from the pedestal to the transfer switch. That's why I have stayed with the external, portable Progressive Industries unit.

I have heard that having two surge suppressors in the same circuit can create some problems. If you haven't already done so (and, knowing you, you may well have), I would contact Progresive Industries and discuss the issue with them. Better safe than sorry.

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I took mine apart to adjust and check all connections. Don’t remember any electronics only a 12 v motor and switch. The controls are on the coach side and protected. All 12v not from pedestal. Only thing I can think of that a surge could do to a reel is speed up the process of a bad connection. I would take it apart or send it to Glenning for repair. Their CS is great
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Added a Surge Guard portable unit to our 18 LA which has the Newmar hard wired unit in coach and couldn't get power to the coach with both units connected. Will be interesting to see what other Newmar owners find with a dual system.
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Have had zero issues with dual surge protectors. Have read many posts of RVers doing the same with AF with no problems.
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Added a Surge Guard portable unit to our 18 LA which has the Newmar hard wired unit in coach and couldn't get power to the coach with both units connected. Will be interesting to see what other Newmar owners find with a dual system.
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I have been using an external surge protector at the post for over 15 years.

On the NA we have a Surge Guard 4427 and it has saved us twice in our campsite endeavors . It is also exceptionally useful in testing other posts once you find a problematic one without having to move the coach all over (as someone said previously).
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pickle-ball ???? Whats that?


Tennis for old people. But it is more fun than tennis. We play almost every day.
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Neal, by what mechanism does a cord reel "get zapped"? It either conducts electricity through the hub assembly or it does not, but the reason they do not is because a contact has arced into pitted carbon hell or wire terminations have gotten loose (see arcing).


As these are fundamentally mechanical devices I'm highly skeptical of "surge" damage. This sounds more like a product quality or maintenance issue.
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