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09-23-2017, 10:03 AM
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Autofill Max Time Exceeded error
Yeah yeah, this is not the first post on this topic, but I didn't find any real good answers on the broad forum search. This autofill situation is concerning as you don't know when it occurs and you could end up out of fresh water in a hurry. I was surprised to see fresh at 1/3rd this morning when I'm hooked up and this is not the first time it's happened. It's actually far too common of a problem. Thankfully with SeeLevel I can see it easier than others with only Newmar sensors, but is there a fix?
Is there anyway that anyone knows to disable this max time error or reset/extend it? It seems as if it's too short but I'm not sure the root cause of the issue in the first place. I typically use my water pump all the time even on city water because it does give me higher pressure, better flushes, better shower even with the regulator on 60psi. I don't know if the water pump is playing any part of this problem.
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09-23-2017, 11:38 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by NealC
Yeah yeah, this is not the first post on this topic, but I didn't find any real good answers on the broad forum search. This autofill situation is concerning as you don't know when it occurs and you could end up out of fresh water in a hurry. I was surprised to see fresh at 1/3rd this morning when I'm hooked up and this is not the first time it's happened. It's actually far too common of a problem. Thankfully with SeeLevel I can see it easier than others with only Newmar sensors, but is there a fix?
Is there anyway that anyone knows to disable this max time error or reset/extend it? It seems as if it's too short but I'm not sure the root cause of the issue in the first place. I typically use my water pump all the time even on city water because it does give me higher pressure, better flushes, better shower even with the regulator on 60psi. I don't know if the water pump is playing any part of this problem.
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Neal,
I use the "Time out" as an indication that my water filter needs replacement...
On the Silverleaf System the logic is:
- Fresh Water Quantity < Auto Fill Level = Yes
--(Y) Auto Fill = On, (N) Auto Fill = Off
*** LOOP Until Fresh Water Quantity = User Quantity Limit***
-Fresh Water Quantity Increase = "N" in Time "X" = Yes
-- (Y) Continue to Fill, (N) Auto Fill = Off (Stop Loop)
-Fresh Water Quantity = User Quantity Limit
-- (Y) Auto Fill = Off (Stop Loop), (N) Auto Fill = On
The logic assumes that if the indicated fresh water quantity fails to increase "N" amount in "X" time there must be a water leak so the logic terminates the Auto Fill Feature... Not sure I would disable this logic...
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09-23-2017, 11:57 AM
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X2 on Stealth01's cause ---> in our experience it's either clogging filter or low campground water pressure. Or your showers are WAAAYYY too long :-) (as in: it just keeps filling).
Following, in case there is really a way to extend the timeout function (without disabling the max fill function).
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09-23-2017, 12:11 PM
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I wonder if it's made worse by using an external filter at the hose connection then of course we have internal filters. But my coach is only 3 months old, 2 months of that camping. The external filter I only started using a month ago. I think it's lower pressure causing the problem but not sure, I'm still figuring it out. I wonder too if it's my "always using" water pump and if the pump is causing some negative pressure situation throwing off autofill. I'll look into the digilevel info I downloaded but seems far too brief. I may have to email them.
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09-23-2017, 12:33 PM
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Neal, we had a single (few day) stay at one campground clog up a brand new external filter. Sometimes all it takes is some work on their water lines shaking loose rust along the way.
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09-23-2017, 12:37 PM
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Once I reset it, it fills fast. I'm not sure when and why it gives the max time error.
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09-23-2017, 01:20 PM
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ever since I have picked up our coach, in April of this year I have had a terrible time filling the fresh water tank. The coach is a '17 VT 4037 with Autofill. It has taken longer and longer to fill the tank, with being timed out endlessly. I tried different hoses, with and without the pump on, etc. In preparation for a 6 day trip for a Dog Show I called Newmar, again, and they suggested the filter. I took the filter out of the coach and the fresh water tank filled within 10 minutes. I am surprised at how quickly the filter clogged and the effect on the coach. Needless to say, I plan to pack extra filters when traveling. I'm eager to try the fill With a new filter. I also, run the water pump when hooked to city water. Without the pressure is terrible. Any thoughts regarding water pressure?
John/Mo and the Schnauzers
'17 Ventana 4037
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09-23-2017, 01:22 PM
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Great info. Everyone is pointing at the filter, I have spares of both external and internal. I'll change them out and see how things work out.
Thanks
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09-23-2017, 03:50 PM
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It’s not your use of the water pump, I also use the pump all the time. Your use of two filters is more than the likely the cause of your issue. Remember, we’re not talking pressure here, we’re talking volume and assuming you’re using a water pressure regulator into a filter and then into another filter... My suggestion is get rid of the external filter and purchase good filter elements for your internal filter. ANd BTW, you will be shocked at how quickly they clog, especially in the Southwest!
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09-24-2017, 05:29 PM
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Neal,
Quick update, left on the first leg of a long trip today. Went to top off the tank and it timed out. R&Red the water filter, hit "Fill" and the system immediately topped off!
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09-24-2017, 05:46 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Stealth01
Neal,
Quick update, left on the first leg of a long trip today. Went to top off the tank and it timed out. R&Red the water filter, hit "Fill" and the system immediately topped off!
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I pulled mine from my spares bin, will R^2 it tomorrow as well. I removed the external filter today and arrived at new CG. Problem remains. So coach side filter will be replaced tomorrow.
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09-24-2017, 06:57 PM
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Anything I should know on changing the filter beyond unscrewing the plastic casing?
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09-24-2017, 07:48 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by NealC
Anything I should know on changing the filter beyond unscrewing the plastic casing?
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That is about it.
I sanitize my water system twice a year. I do this when I change my filter by pouring bleach into the filter container before putting the new filter in. Fill the water tank, flush and then install the new filter.
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09-25-2017, 07:37 AM
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Used filter wrench, replaced filter. After only 3 months it was medium brown! Disgusting! Guess they don't last as long as expected. I have no problems replacing these filters frequently, I'd much rather trust what I'm drinking. Good thing to learn and very easy to replace.
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