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Old 04-28-2018, 02:11 PM   #1
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Changes in Newmars from Model Year to Model Year

I've been scouring the threads, and have read through most of the sticky posts and haven't found exactly what I want to know, so if I've missed something obvious, I apologize.

What would be ideal is a chart that shows the progression of features/technology/etc. by year...For example, Comfort Drive on all diesels (except Ventana LE) starting in 2008, on luxury models prior to that. STAR starting in 2016, frameless windows year x, emergency rear exit year x, etc.

We will be buying a Newmar diesel about a year from now when DH retires and we sell our s&b. We started out thinking we would buy used, but given the short supply and the minuscule amount of price savings on coaches that are 1-4 years old, we may end up having to cough up a bit more money and order a new one.

However, if we were to find a good buy on a used coach, what are some of the things we'd miss out on by going preowned? Is there a list somewhere that shows, by year, the new features/standards, etc., on Newmar's coaches? We will likely end up with either a Ventana or a Ventana LE unless some miracle occurs and we're able to find the deal of the century on a DS or higher. (Doubtful, I realize.)

I'm getting ready to download brochures from past years and start compiling notes on the features...a tedious process. If someone has already done this, could you point me in that direction? Otherwise, I'd appreciate you sharing any/all of the important changes that you are aware of or things to beware of. For instance, in another thread, I asked Newmar owners what their favorite option was on their coach. Many indicated it was their heated floors. This is an option that is not available in 2018 on Ventana or Ventana LE, to my knowledge. Comfort drive was not available on LE until 2016, someone said. These are the kinds of things I would like to know...I realize I'll be able to see some of this when the 2019 specs/order forms become available, but how would a 2016 LE compare to a 2018 as far as standard features, etc.?

Any info you can give me will be much appreciated. If I end up compiling this info, I'll be happy to share it.
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I've been scouring the threads, and have read through most of the sticky posts and haven't found exactly what I want to know, so if I've missed something obvious, I apologize.

What would be ideal is a chart that shows the progression of features/technology/etc. by year...For example, Comfort Drive on all diesels (except Ventana LE) starting in 2008, on luxury models prior to that. STAR starting in 2016, frameless windows year x, emergency rear exit year x, etc.

We will be buying a Newmar diesel about a year from now when DH retires and we sell our s&b. We started out thinking we would buy used, but given the short supply and the minuscule amount of price savings on coaches that are 1-4 years old, we may end up having to cough up a bit more money and order a new one.

However, if we were to find a good buy on a used coach, what are some of the things we'd miss out on by going preowned? Is there a list somewhere that shows, by year, the new features/standards, etc., on Newmar's coaches? We will likely end up with either a Ventana or a Ventana LE unless some miracle occurs and we're able to find the deal of the century on a DS or higher. (Doubtful, I realize.)

I'm getting ready to download brochures from past years and start compiling notes on the features...a tedious process. If someone has already done this, could you point me in that direction? Otherwise, I'd appreciate you sharing any/all of the important changes that you are aware of or things to beware of. For instance, in another thread, I asked Newmar owners what their favorite option was on their coach. Many indicated it was their heated floors. This is an option that is not available in 2018 on Ventana or Ventana LE, to my knowledge. Comfort drive was not available on LE until 2016, someone said. These are the kinds of things I would like to know...I realize I'll be able to see some of this when the 2019 specs/order forms become available, but how would a 2016 LE compare to a 2018 as far as standard features, etc.?

Any info you can give me will be much appreciated. If I end up compiling this info, I'll be happy to share it.
I don't know of a definitive list but can tell you that our 2015 LE has comfort drive.
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Yearly changes

I replied in your other thread about some of the new items in 2016 in the Ventana line, but I don't have a quick answer for you about historical changes across the Newmar lines.

However, I just wanted to point out what I think is a significant difference between the Ventana and the Ventana LE - GCWR (Gross Combined Weight Rating - the motorhome, contents, and everything towed). We found the LE to be capable of a lot less in the amount of weight you could tow behind you (whether a trailer, tow dolly, or 4-flat). If you know you will be towing something behind you, take a critical look at how much the coach can tow once you get it all loaded up with fuel, people, water, and possessions. The GCWR can be reached way before the "tow rating" of the receiver hitch on the back of the motorhome.

Here's a quick example of 2018 models (GVWR is Gross Vehicle Weight Rating - motorhome and contents)
Ventana LE 3713 has a GVWR of 31,400 and a GCWR of 33,000 (1,600 lb difference)
Ventana LE 4048 has a GVWR of 37,500 and a GCWR of 47,500 (10,000 lb difference)

Ventana 3715 has a GVWR of 37,300 and a GCWR of 47,300 (10,000 lb difference)
Ventana 4049 has a GVWR of 44,000 and a GCWR of 59,000 (15,000 lb difference)
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I replied in your other thread about some of the new items in 2016 in the Ventana line, but I don't have a quick answer for you about historical changes across the Newmar lines.

However, I just wanted to point out what I think is a significant difference between the Ventana and the Ventana LE - GCWR (Gross Combined Weight Rating - the motorhome, contents, and everything towed). We found the LE to be capable of a lot less in the amount of weight you could tow behind you (whether a trailer, tow dolly, or 4-flat). If you know you will be towing something behind you, take a critical look at how much the coach can tow once you get it all loaded up with fuel, people, water, and possessions. The GCWR can be reached way before the "tow rating" of the receiver hitch on the back of the motorhome.

Here's a quick example of 2018 models (GVWR is Gross Vehicle Weight Rating - motorhome and contents)
Ventana LE 3713 has a GVWR of 31,400 and a GCWR of 33,000 (1,600 lb difference)
Ventana LE 4048 has a GVWR of 37,500 and a GCWR of 47,500 (10,000 lb difference)

Ventana 3715 has a GVWR of 37,300 and a GCWR of 47,300 (10,000 lb difference)
Ventana 4049 has a GVWR of 44,000 and a GCWR of 59,000 (15,000 lb difference)
Yes! That is precisely the kind of information every buyer should know. I was just cruising the threads on towing so this is quite timely, and definitely crucial. DH and I have been discussing what might make the best toad vehicle. I hate his manual transmission Mustang and I have read horror stories about towing Jeep Grand Cherokees (my car).

It's a good thing we have a year...there is so much to research. I just hope I don't psych myself out with all of the things to decide and consider.
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I don't know of a definitive list but can tell you that our 2015 LE has comfort drive.
I'm already having trouble keeping it all straight. Looks like I need to start a spreadsheet...
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Check out the model brochure archive at Newmar's web site.
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Yes! That is precisely the kind of information every buyer should know. I was just cruising the threads on towing so this is quite timely, and definitely crucial. DH and I have been discussing what might make the best toad vehicle. I hate his manual transmission Mustang and I have read horror stories about towing Jeep Grand Cherokees (my car).



It's a good thing we have a year...there is so much to research. I just hope I don't psych myself out with all of the things to decide and consider.


What horror stories are you referencing? The GC has been a good tow vehicle for many.
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What horror stories are you referencing? The GC has been a good tow vehicle for many.
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Model Changes

Steinbring Motorcoach in Minnesota has articles about model year changes.

This one is about the 2016 changes for Ventana:

The 2016 Newmar Motorhome Lineup - Steinbring Motorcoach

Other articles can be found on this link by going to the bottom and click on the "Older posts" link:

Steinbring Motorcoach Press Releases - The Latest RV News!
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I have the 2017 Newmar LE model 3724 and it does have the adjustable comfort steering that you speak of..Love this coach
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Our2015 Jeep gc tows perfectly. Perhaps you mean the Jeep Cherokee. They wobble. Big difference.
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When we purchased our 08 Kountry Star, there was a twin 07 available. The difference we saw was, 08 has comfort drive, flat screen TVs ( still almost as heavy as crt in 07!) vynil tile floor (no carpet in living room area) single piece windshield ( although I have seen an 07 with 1piece also).
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Our2015 Jeep gc tows perfectly. Perhaps you mean the Jeep Cherokee. They wobble. Big difference.

The thread I quoted above cites wobble issues with Grand Cherokees. It was a problem on Cherokees, too, but has surfaced on newer GCs. Not everyone has it, and it doesn't happen all of the time, but when it does, it's bad. As far as I can tell, there has been no resolution yet from Jeep. You might want to read the thread just so you're aware. Perhaps you can rule out your particular model of GC.

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Steinbring Motorcoach in Minnesota has articles about model year changes.

This one is about the 2016 changes for Ventana:

The 2016 Newmar Motorhome Lineup - Steinbring Motorcoach

Other articles can be found on this link by going to the bottom and click on the "Older posts" link:

Steinbring Motorcoach Press Releases - The Latest RV News!
Excellent resource! Thanks for the links.
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