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Old 12-08-2016, 02:05 PM   #1
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Do Gassers have a BIRD?

Perhaps BIRD is an older term but the question arises out of another thread. In specific, what are the house battery charging capabilities of the Baystar while driving without using the generator?
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Gas MH chassis are built with heavy duty, high output alternators. They are there for the added load of coach battery charging. I can't see the MH builders not using it.

Although not a BI-DIRECTIONAL system ( BIRD ), reading thru this fourm, I have not heard of any, production built MHs, that don't have the capabilities of charging and maintaining the coach batteries thru the chassis charging system. An "IRD" is a popular device.

My older, 2000, Class C uses an ignition key, activated solenoid. Turn on the key and the batteries are connected.

When there is a complaint of low coach batteries, it's usually due to the isolator systems, solenoid failure. A common problem.

I had asked this question months back and I only received 1 response from someone, who's friends DP MH didn't have the isolation relay. It wasn't 1 model of DP, it was 1 DP.

Following the hundreds of post, in every builders forum, about isolation system failures, on here, it is my opinion that it is an industry standard to install them.

Let's see what others say.
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All my Newmars gas had B.I.R.D.'s and when I stored the coach in driveways for winter the BIRD kept all my batteries fully charged all I had to do was check water levels during the winter.
In my Workhorse coach changed the batteries to two 12v AGM's instead of the 6v the coach came with.
The chassis battery last for 10 years and had to be changed out by new owner to start coach in spring, I would use the battery boost button until the chassis battery would hold its charge during the summer months but new owner didn't want to do that.
Those AGM battery's would kick that engine over with out a hitch, after engine was not started since fall.
Never had a problem with any batteries in any of my coach's the BIRD's took care of them.
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RV's are snow flakes. The answer is definitely maybe.

In many cases they are installed but faulty. It took me a long time "before this forum", to find out how my system was built and I am a Certified Electronic Tech.

Mine was faulty in the beginning so it took me a bit to sort things out. Adding to the difficulty was the built in delay on mine.
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Don/Sky_Pilot, I thought maybe you and Sandee had gone into hibernation; hadn't seen any posts in a while. Happy Holidays from Beth and I. Trust you guys are doing well.
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Although not a BI-DIRECTIONAL system ( BIRD ), reading thru this fourm, I have not heard of any, production built MHs, that don't have the capabilities of charging and maintaining the coach batteries thru the chassis charging system. An "IRD" is a popular device.

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Perhaps BIRD is an older term but the question arises out of another thread. In specific, what are the house battery charging capabilities of the Baystar while driving without using the generator?
My 2017 Newmar Canyon Star has a BIRD........

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This was sent to me by Newmar Customer Service, when I was having issues with the chassis battery on our Bay Star, not charging from the generator or while plugged in. At least it prove the existence of the "BIRD" system on the Bay Star.
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My 10 year old entry level, bargain basement, budget model Thor Hurricane has bidirectional charging. Alternator will charge chassis and house while the convertor/charger will charge house and chassis. Intellitec Battery Control Center provides the capabilities.
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I had a bird build a nest under my slide topper and soon there were many little birds but still my engine batteries would not charge from shore power.
My solonoid failed three times which meant the alternator was not charging the house batteries. Also the circuit board that sends the signal to the solonoid was failing. Instead of going back to the dealer several times I decided to use the boost switch when ever I wanted the alternator to charge the house batteries. Works great but I need a better reminder system to make sure I remove the beer cap from the switch when shutting down.
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Do gassers have a BIRD (Biidirectional Isolator Relay Device)

Well. Mine does
Some do not.
So the answer is "Some do some don't"

NOTE: Same applies to DPs.
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I didn't know what a B.I.R.D. was until this thread and 007's link. I see I have one too.
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