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Old 08-29-2017, 03:21 PM   #15
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We have been to Spartan Chassis and have seen Newmar motor home (London Aire) that was being used for safety testing. It most have been a test coach for Newmar too because it had few windows, all outside cabinets locked with regular locks, and extra weight inside to make up for few items inside. It looked well used with outside cameras and lots of writing on the outside. This was a couple years ago and was parked close to customer service parking area. After owning Spartan chassis for 20 years and with 250K miles of driving I feel safe driving my Newmar on Spartan chassis.
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Good suggestion NealC . It would be interesting to know how Comfort Drive will assist in sudden front wheel blow outs.
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Old 08-29-2017, 03:53 PM   #17
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Look into Liquid Spring it does more than what you are talking about. Have them on all sorts of things including fire trucks and ambulances

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Old 08-29-2017, 03:55 PM   #18
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Here is a fellow RVer and what he thinks about Liquid Spring


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Old 08-29-2017, 04:11 PM   #19
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Neal, did you consider these for your steer tires?
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TRW, the designer and maker of Comfort Drive,(Column Drive) did front tire blowout tests to certify their product for its intended application. This, to my knowledge, involved blowing out the tire with a type of blast cap while travelling at highway speeds. The results, as I understand, were excellent and even exceeded the required performance benchmark.

So, at least for Newmar, diesel powered rigs equipped with the Comfort Drive feature have in fact been thoroughly tested for sudden tire failure.

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The engineering staff at any of the major manufacturers have the design/analysis tools already to compute the performance of their "box" under a myriad of conditions. They probably already have and already know how each unit will behave.

The problem arises when a manufactures has to make design decisions based upon the data they have. Contrary to many "knee jerk" reactions that it is all about cost, there are many other points that must be considered such as weight capacity limits, volume,
producibility and the single biggest consideration . . . LIABILITY! I can tell you from past experience in aerospace (45 years as an ME/Quality Manager), that if for example, Newmar was to tout CD as helping in front blowout situations that the very first time it didn't, because the situation was beyond what was anticipated, they would be sued.

Now, I am NOT trying to say that safety improvements shouldn't be ongoing or necessary, what I am saying though is that sometimes it is not quite as simple as it may seem. Just adding more "steel" is usually not the right answer. I will say that NONE of the manufacturers are adequately addressing crash response within their units to a level that I personally believe is adequate. Recently I witnessed the refer being removed from a MA . . . its installation was a joke. Most microwave installations I've seen are also inadequate from a crash response perspective.

I'd love to "visit" one of the majors with my old "engineering" hat on and just chat with the designers/engineers/operations folks about some of these issues as you'd be surprised how often the right hand doesn't know what the left is doing

My old System's Engineering Manager had a great saying that is applicable in this situation "Don't ask the question if you can't stand to hear the answer".
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I can tell you from past experience in aerospace (45 years as an ME/Quality Manager), that if for example, Newmar was to tout CD as helping in front blowout situations that the very first time it didn't, because the situation was beyond what was anticipated, they would be sued.
This is exactly why we could not discuss CD response to the rapid air loss of a steer tire. What I can say is that in all the testing I've done, I never regretted having the CD active.
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