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01-08-2014, 02:43 PM
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Electrical checked everything nothing works
None of the slideout AC plugs work they just quit working all the sudden only the Micro works I think I need to call Newmar does anyone have a special number I can call??? 4302 04 mountain aire I checked all the GFI's and the sub pannel every thing checks out a ok.
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01-08-2014, 05:34 PM
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Hi myliladog,
Do you have an inverter in your coach? I think you do. Find the inverter. Somewhere, on the inverter, there will be a "button fuse". This fuse has, most likely, popped out. Press the button in. Everything should work. An 04 MADP 400 WATT inverter is located on the passenger side in the most rear basement compartment. On my coach, the inverter is located on the passenger side in the third basement bay under the raised rail of the chassis. I do not know where Newmar put the 1400 and 2000 WATT inverters on the 04 MADP. Newmar has a reputation of being very creative as to where they put inverters. The Newmar service number is 800-731-8300.
If the above is true, to prevent this from happening in the future, use no more power that the button fuse is rated for. The button fuse should be labeled with its' rating in AMPS. This may sound wrong, but it is true. Everything that runs off your inverter is limited by the size of the button fuse. You may be connected to a 50 AMP service but the inverter is a limiting factor on the outlets that require it for power. The clue to this being the problem is the microwave remains operational. The microwave does not go through the inverter.
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01-08-2014, 09:05 PM
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Should be on passenger side back storage compartment between frame rails.
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01-09-2014, 08:28 AM
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If the non-working outlets are in teh slide it is possible you have a wire fault.. Under the slide, generally, there are two electrical junction boxes, one on the slide, one on the part that does not move. Betwen them is an articulated arm. (Arm with an elbow joint) and the wire runs along this arm. Suspect points are both J-boxes. near the end pivot points and of course near the elbow joint.
In my coach one slide the outlet ends the GFCI chain, so the GFCI is a suspect too. but there are other outlets on that chain.
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01-09-2014, 10:21 AM
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I have checked the circut breaker in at the inverter and it was not blown at all when this all happened I simpely pluged in the coffee pot as I always do in the am I failed to come on as it had every am for the last ten days. The outlets that are effected are on both slides opposing in the main room I have checked all circut breakers all are good and pulled all outlet plugs and still no power please help still waiting for Newmar to call again thanks to all for trying to help
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01-09-2014, 10:53 AM
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Have you checked all of the outlets for the GFI button? They are usually located near a water fixture and when one trips all outlets down the line will also be dead. Reset & you should be good.
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01-09-2014, 11:07 AM
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Hi myliladog,
Now that we know the button circuit breaker at the inverter is good, lets move on to the next steps.
1. Is the inverter turned on? I know this sounds dumb, but please double check.
2. If the inverter is turned on? There should be a switch inside the coach with a light showing the inverter is on. If the inverter is on, return to the inverter and look at the lights. Compare the lights to what the owner's manual says. On my inverter, if all the lights are green, I am good on those circuits.
3. Go to the 120 VAC breaker panel and turn off and back on the breakers. This makes sure each breaker is properly seated in the on position.
4. Recheck ALL the GFI breakers. Push the button to test and then the button to reset. Make sure the reset button is fully pressed in and you hear the breaker "click" into the on position.
5. If you have gotten this far, you'll enter the more difficult part of the diagnostics. Get a meter and go to the 120 VAC breaker panel. Remove the front of the panel. Test each breaker for 120 VAC.
If you got to step #5, let us know what you find in step #5. The answer will ensure the correct guidance is provided.
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01-09-2014, 12:54 PM
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Continuing on from the last post:
6. With a meter, see if you have 120 VAC at any of the outlets you say do not work.
7. If you do not have a meter, get a second appliance and plug it into an outlet that does not work.
While difficult to imagine, the appliance may be broken and that is why it does not turn on.
I'm trying to suggest the simple and cheap stuff first.
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01-09-2014, 12:58 PM
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I did all the steps 1 to 5 and still nothing I did these steps as soon as it did not work I had been setting in the same spot for 6 days doing the same thing every day. Not moving the slids or anything. I have removed all the receptacles and wired around the GFI's but still no power to them I have hot wires going into the ceiling but nothing on the plugs
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01-09-2014, 01:01 PM
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I did all the steps and yes I do have a meter and know how to run it.
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01-09-2014, 01:32 PM
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You have 120 VAC outbound at the main panel breakers and no power at the GFI's. In addition you say there is no power to outlets on both sides of the living area.
The inverter receives its' power directly from the coach batteries. Past posts say the button fuse is pushed all the way and the inverter lights are correct.
If the outlets are not inverter powered, there is nothing between the GFIs and the main breaker panel.
If the outlets are inverter powered, all I can ask you to do is see if you have 120 VAC output from the inverter. While you are there, check to see if you have 12.5 VDC input to the inverter.
I do not know your coach well enough to understand if the outlets giving you trouble are inverter powered or not.
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01-09-2014, 04:45 PM
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If you have opened the load center cover and checked the wiring off the circuit breakers THAN THE FOLLOWING MAY APPLY.
The slides have a metal elbow under the slide that travels in and out with the slide and wiring will terminate in outlet with a blank plate on inside wall of slide. The wire at bend may have broken down and rubber cable needs replacement.
Would terminate in slide wall outlet and box in lower compartment under the slide.
You may also have a 12v circuit wire in run.
You may have two cables one for micro and the other off GFI circuit run.
A kitchen slide may have the wiring tied up with the plumbing coil also.
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01-09-2014, 05:03 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 007";1877628]If you have opened the load center cover and checked the wiring off the circuit breakers THAN THE FOLLOWING MAY APPLY.
The slides have a metal elbow under the slide that travels in and out with the slide and wiring will terminate in outlet with a blank plate on inside wall of slide. The wire at bend may have broken down and rubber cable needs replacement.
Would terminate in slide wall outlet and box in lower compartment under the slide.
You may also have a 12v circuit wire in run.
You may have two cables one for micro and the other off GFI circuit run.
A [B][URL="http://www.irv2.com/forums/f103/video-plumbing-in-kitchen-slideout-107534.html#post1002496
kitchen slide[/URL][/B] may have the wiring tied up with the plumbing coil also.
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I was also thinking about the junction box in the slide but the OP says no AC in both opposing slides. Has to be something common to both... The junction box could be used for troubleshooting though.
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01-14-2014, 10:42 PM
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thanks to everyone I wound up calling Newmar and was told to check the wiring under the coach in the junction boxes as there is a split on the quad-slides in the junction boxes. sure enough a loos wire was the trouble.
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