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06-14-2017, 05:39 AM
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Senior Member
Newmar Owners Club
Join Date: Apr 2013
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Engine shutdown
We have a 2014 Newmar Ventana 4036 with a Cummins 400 HP engine. While traveling east on I94 the engine shutdown then within seconds restarted. This happened several times before. Any info on this problem would be helpful, thanks.
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06-14-2017, 06:11 AM
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Monaco Owners Club
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Location: Jensen Beach, Florida
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Did any lights come on on the dashboard before shutdown? Did the ECM throw any error codes? I would start by checking for error codes.
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06-14-2017, 07:15 AM
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Join Date: May 2012
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My 2002 ISL400 did that in Dallas one time. Loose cable on batteries. I had cleaned the terminals in Houston and must not have tightened the negative down enough. Took 220 miles for it to happen. Everything shut down for one second and then came back on. Got to Cedar Hill (20 more minutes) without incident. Got set up and checked the battery cables. Yep. Just barely loose. Problem solved. Hope your fix is that easy.
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06-14-2017, 07:16 AM
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Newmar Owners Club Freightliner Owners Club
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Location: West Texas
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Are you sure the engine actually shut down? The reason I ask is because we have had the dashboard go completely "dead" a few times, when that tachometer drops to zero, my first thought was also "Oh #$^&! The engine is dead!". In all cases it would all come back within a few seconds. Freightliner replaced the ECU and It hasn't happened again in almost two years.
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2020 Dutch Star 4369 (2014 Ventana 4369 retired)
2016 Wrangler Unlimited Hard Rock toad, Blue Ox, Air Force One
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06-14-2017, 10:26 AM
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Location: Vermont
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I guess I'm still trying to understand the problem. You mean that you were driving down the road at 60mph or something, in the middle of traffic and your engine just completely shut off? So you had no power steering? I guess your brakes should still work as long as there was air in the tanks.
ok, so what did you do about this? Were you able to get to the shoulder? How difficult was it to steer the coach?
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2007 Newmar Essex 4510, 500 hp Cummins
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06-14-2017, 11:24 AM
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"Formerly Diplomat Don"
Newmar Owners Club
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Location: Moorpark, Ca.
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"Gsgarland"......You're not the only one who has had this issue. It seems to only occur on the 2014's. It's happened about 6 times to me over three years. Each time it gets further and further apart. There is a guy on the Freightliner forum that has hired an attorney and is suing over this issue. He has asked several of us to participate, at least as witnesses, to the issue.
Yes.....the engine shuts down for just a brief second, all the gauges fall off and by the time your butt puckers and you go "oh sh*t" the thing restarts like nothing happened. Several of us tried different things to correct the issue with no definitive results. In your "run bay", electrical bay under the driver's window, there are two labeled black boxes with relays inside. When you open the boxes up, you may find that a couple of the relays may be "walking" out of their sockets. These are engine run relays. I pushed all of mine back in and installed a foam pad under the lid to prevent them from coming out again. I also tightened the main wiring harness (where they plug together) near the engine.
In thinking back, mine has done it mostly after a few minutes of driving. It doesn't throw any codes.
So far, no fix has been found. The guy with the lawsuit has apparently had it happen to him frequently. Cummins/Freightliner has changed a ton of things out on his.
On my coach and I know a few others, when I turn on the ignition, I get all the indicator lights to cycle, including the check engine light, and the check engine light stays on for another 10 seconds. I don't start my coach until that light goes out. It has probably been a year since the last occurrence.
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2019 Newmar Dutch Star 4018 (Freightliner)
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06-14-2017, 06:45 PM
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Member
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Location: Fort Myers, FL.
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Don,
Has yours shut off again since you installed the foam pads on the inside of the relay boxes ?
This exact thing happened to my preowned 14 VTDP this past January. It occurred about 15 minutes from the campground I had just left. When it happened I wasn't sure what had just occurred. Everything went dead and came right back on. I first thought that one of my dogs may have bumped the ignition key since they were both nearby.
Hasn't happened since and just curious if I should expect it again or not. Definitely did not like the experience and if it does happen again I hope everything comes right back on again.
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2014 VTDP 4037
400 Cummins ISL, SMI AF1, Blue Ox Avail
17 F150 Platinum 4x4
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06-14-2017, 08:10 PM
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Senior Member
Newmar Owners Club
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Called Freightliner this am, was told to have the " light bar " replaced. The rep I talked with took me through each malfunction, he hit the nail on each event. Was I on cruse control, and did I loose it? Did I loose the engine brake? Did the dash light fade out? Did I have the feeling that the engine quit? All YES...new light bar, we'll see!!
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06-15-2017, 03:28 PM
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Join Date: Sep 2014
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I have a 2011 Tuscan with a 450 Cummings. I had this same problem and found the problem was caused by low coolant. I could see coolant in the top, see through portion, of the radiator and if I stuck my finger in the top of the radiator, I could feel coolant. After loosing power and pulling off the road I was able to restart the engine and go for awhile until
It happened again. I was able to make it to Ration, NM where I found a garage, where the mechanic poured a half gallon of antifreeze in the radiator, explaining that there is a sensor that detects the level of coolant and if low, shuts the engine down to protect it. After he filled up the radiator I climbed Raton pass without a problem. After reaching our destination I checked and found a small water leak in a heater hose. Repaired and it's never happened again. Needless to say, I never leave home without a gallon of antifreeze.
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06-15-2017, 08:56 PM
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Senior Member
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Location: College Station, Texas
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My 2011 Ventana had this happen around 4 times over a two year period. Brief shut down then back to normal for months. Very unnerving. Sometimes at very inopportune times - like on an on-ram or in heavy traffic/weather. It wa always brief and never escalated.
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06-16-2017, 12:35 AM
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"Formerly Diplomat Don"
Newmar Owners Club
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Yes, it did it again after installing the foam, but felt the foam was still a good idea, because those relays were "walking" out on their own.
There is a light bar recall, but not for my coach by serial number. Last year on a 7K trip coast to coast, the light bar did some crazy things, like gauges read weird, DEF showing empty, etc. I called Freightliner and they said to unplug the light bar and plug it back in. I did that the light bar worked correctly. It happened again a few days and I unplugged it again, problem resolved. I left the dash screws out for the next few weeks and never had another issue. I did price out a new light bar and it was $800.00.
I haven't had a shut down occurrence since.
This is the first time I've heard the light bar was the issue. I know the gentlemen who is suing them has had just about everything replaced, with no cure.
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2019 Newmar Dutch Star 4018 (Freightliner)
2019 Ford Raptor
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06-16-2017, 12:18 PM
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"Formerly Diplomat Don"
Newmar Owners Club
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I sent a PM to "spendingit" , the poster who has a lawsuit pending regarding the shut down issue. I asked him if they ever replaced his light bar as a possible fix. He said they replaced it three different times, no difference. I was hoping the light bar was a newly discovered fix. It's weird, but this issue only affected 2014 Freightliner chassis'.
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2019 Newmar Dutch Star 4018 (Freightliner)
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06-19-2017, 01:40 PM
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Location: MI & AZ
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To all who have had this problem and believe their engine actually shut off,
I have a 2014 ISL400HP VTDP and have had this problem about a half dozen times also. Not in about a about a year and a half now I believe. It has always happened while I was on cruise. I first am alerted when the cruise drops off. I immediately now look at the dash light strip and it shows a sequence like when I first turn on the ignition. Within a very few seconds all looks fine again. I have never had time or at least thought to press the excellerator to see if the engine acts like it is running and have not noticed whether the tach is reading normal. BUT I never got any indication that the engine really stopped running either. I always thought it just a power on reset of the light strip and/or gauges. What exactly was your reason to believe that the engine did not happily run right through the short lived event. I am not questioning the severity of it just trying to understand what really happened and I don't want to have it happen more often so that I can see it more often. I have had FL dealers and once the FL team at an international rally look at it and they never found anything or replaced anything.
Ted
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Originally Posted by Dutch Star Don
I sent a PM to "spendingit" , the poster who has a lawsuit pending regarding the shut down issue. I asked him if they ever replaced his light bar as a possible fix. He said they replaced it three different times, no difference. I was hoping the light bar was a newly discovered fix. It's weird, but this issue only affected 2014 Freight-liner chassis'.
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06-20-2017, 05:08 AM
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Member
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Location: Fort Myers, FL.
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I'm not sure if the engine shut down or not. I felt a loss of power, looked down at my dash and the light bar was going thru it's start up sequence and then everything went back to normal. Did the engine shut off ? I don't know but I did lose power for a brief second.
Getting ready to leave Florida to Ohio and then back down the east coast and home again. Will let everyone know if it happens again and will pay more attention to the sequence of events if it does.
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Originally Posted by tednruthy
To all who have had this problem and believe their engine actually shut off,
I have a 2014 ISL400HP VTDP and have had this problem about a half dozen times also. Not in about a about a year and a half now I believe. It has always happened while I was on cruise. I first am alerted when the cruise drops off. I immediately now look at the dash light strip and it shows a sequence like when I first turn on the ignition. Within a very few seconds all looks fine again. I have never had time or at least thought to press the excellerator to see if the engine acts like it is running and have not noticed whether the tach is reading normal. BUT I never got any indication that the engine really stopped running either. I always thought it just a power on reset of the light strip and/or gauges. What exactly was your reason to believe that the engine did not happily run right through the short lived event. I am not questioning the severity of it just trying to understand what really happened and I don't want to have it happen more often so that I can see it more often. I have had FL dealers and once the FL team at an international rally look at it and they never found anything or replaced anything.
Ted
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2014 VTDP 4037
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