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Old 11-20-2017, 12:00 PM   #1
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Hair Dryers...ugh!

DW and I have a long and ongoing hot button when it comes to the use of a hair dryer. All I ask is that she lets me know when she is going to plug in her hair dryer so I can start shedding the power load (microwave oven, induction hot plate, etc).

So, today I asked Newmar CS about it. It is recommended that hair dryers only be used on non-inverted circuits. When overloaded, the 30amp breaker (on the side of the inverter) trips. This requires a spelunking adventure in the basement. When I asked about the status (inverted or non-inverted) of the outlet in the back bathroom (where said hair drying occurs) he said that this is on an inverted circuit. huh???

For those that are still in the ordering process, you may think to add a special of a non-inverted outlet in the spot most likely to be the "hair drying station".

For those like me (who didn't have the foresight to order this special), has anyone tried to tap off of either the washer or dryer circuits to feed a new non-inverted outlet... if indeed these are non-inverted?

Fortunately for me, Father Time has greatly "thinned the herd" on top of my head. A good breeze ... and I am dry and ready to roll .
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"HavingABlast"......Are you having this issue on 50 amps or only when you have 30 amp service? When on 50 amps, there shouldn't be any issue with available power and the hairdryer should work without issue.

On 30amp, I could see an issue and some management may be needed. For those that run electric heaters in their coach, it's a good practice not to plug into inverted circuits for long periods of time. It's hard on the inverter.

If you're only having a hair dryer issue on 30amp power, there is something you can do about it. On my 2005 Diplomat with 50amp service, we often camped at a local County park that only had 30amp service. I added a second power cord (smaller 15 amp) to the power cord bay and ran romex through flexible conduit to the bathroom and main living area. I installed an additional outlet in the bath and living area that was powered off of the 15amp cord. When on 30 amps, I plugged in the second 15amp cord into the 15amp breaker in the power box. My wife knew to use that outlet for her hair dryer.

Lastly, we've been married for 41 years and have had a DP for the last 14 years. In all those years, she still doesn't get the difference between 30amp and 50amp and what she can and can't use, so you're not alone.
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Find the outlet #14 wiring cable and rewire it out of your inverter load box and wire it into your 50 amp load center box where your AC's, micro and washer dryer are located than tell the wife you have dedicated just for her hair dryer and do not use any other outlet in coach.
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DW and I have a long and ongoing hot button when it comes to the use of a hair dryer. All I ask is that she lets me know when she is going to plug in her hair dryer so I can start shedding the power load (microwave oven, induction hot plate, etc).

So, today I asked Newmar CS about it. It is recommended that hair dryers only be used on non-inverted circuits. When overloaded, the 30amp breaker (on the side of the inverter) trips. This requires a spelunking adventure in the basement. When I asked about the status (inverted or non-inverted) of the outlet in the back bathroom (where said hair drying occurs) he said that this is on an inverted circuit. huh???

For those that are still in the ordering process, you may think to add a special of a non-inverted outlet in the spot most likely to be the "hair drying station".

For those like me (who didn't have the foresight to order this special), has anyone tried to tap off of either the washer or dryer circuits to feed a new non-inverted outlet... if indeed these are non-inverted?

Fortunately for me, Father Time has greatly "thinned the herd" on top of my head. A good breeze ... and I am dry and ready to roll .
Would others know if starting the generator would help in this situation?

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Quincy ... it would not. 120v is still passing thru the inverter.
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Would others know if starting the generator would help in this situation?

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Starting the generator would not help. On my coach, the circuits that can be powered by the inverter are limited by 30 amp breakers. Wether I am on shore power, inverter power, or generator power, the sum of all inverter capable circuits cannot exceed 30 amps. Other coaches may be different depending on the size of the inverter.
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Anyone know the impact of a curling iron vs. a hair dryer?
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A curling iron is 1 amp or less. My 1800watt Conair dryer can use up to 15 amps when on high heat/high fan.

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"HavingABlast"......Are you having this issue on 50 amps or only when you have 30 amp service? When on 50 amps, there shouldn't be any issue with available power and the hairdryer should work without issue.

On 30amp, I could see an issue and some management may be needed. For those that run electric heaters in their coach, it's a good practice not to plug into inverted circuits for long periods of time. It's hard on the inverter.

If you're only having a hair dryer issue on 30amp power, there is something you can do about it. On my 2005 Diplomat with 50amp service, we often camped at a local County park that only had 30amp service. I added a second power cord (smaller 15 amp) to the power cord bay and ran romex through flexible conduit to the bathroom and main living area. I installed an additional outlet in the bath and living area that was powered off of the 15amp cord. When on 30 amps, I plugged in the second 15amp cord into the 15amp breaker in the power box. My wife knew to use that outlet for her hair dryer.

Lastly, we've been married for 41 years and have had a DP for the last 14 years. In all those years, she still doesn't get the difference between 30amp and 50amp and what she can and can't use, so you're not alone.


I haven't popped a circuit breaker yet. Being somewhat ignorant of our circuits and load restrictions, I tend to be an amperage conservative. I generally "wave the red flag" before necessary...even when plugged into 50amp.

I like your second 15 amp outlet, dedicated to hair drying in the bathroom idea. As a special, I had a dedicated 20amp non-inverted circuit installed in our bedroom just for using a space heater when plugged into shore power. Maybe I could somehow tap into this circuit for a hair dryer only outlet (when on shore power) in the bathroom.

Congratulations on the 41 years. In January we will reach 48 years of marriage. Been together for 51 years. Wouldn't have it any other way.
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Starting the generator would not help. On my coach, the circuits that can be powered by the inverter are limited by 30 amp breakers. Wether I am on shore power, inverter power, or generator power, the sum of all inverter capable circuits cannot exceed 30 amps. Other coaches may be different depending on the size of the inverter.
The 30 amp breakers are probably due to ten gage wire which requires no more than 30 amp cb.
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