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12-13-2018, 05:08 AM
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Senior Member
Winnebago Owners Club Freightliner Owners Club
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Originally Posted by FL420
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I really can't believe this thread has morphed into such BS. It is now useless. Who need all this lawyer crap when the OP as not to post same.
"Please don't post on this thread a bunch of legal advice, comments or opinions on if you like it or not. "
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What is needed is for everyone to read the first post and work on that. I can only imagine that this last poster is a lawyer. FL what could that possibly stand for. FL I can only imagine what that may morph into.
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12-13-2018, 05:15 AM
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#114
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Newmar Owners Club
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Originally Posted by ladagobago
I really can't believe this thread has morphed into such BS. It is now useless. Who need all this lawyer crap when the OP as not to post same.
"Please don't post on this thread a bunch of legal advice, comments or opinions on if you like it or not. "
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What is needed is for everyone to read the first post and work on that. I can only imagine that this last poster is a lawyer. FL what could that possibly stand for. FL I can only imagine what that may morph into.
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Thank You.......
SLS
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12-13-2018, 06:03 AM
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Location: Foley AL
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Originally Posted by SLS
Thank You.......
SLS
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.... sorry no one seems to have a solution other than you really need a specific wiring diagram. Somewhere there is a merge of the "service brake active" and the "engine brake active" lines. A previous post indicated that is likely to be a plug-in diode that can be removed.
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12-13-2018, 06:49 AM
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#116
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Location: Full Timing From SW Florida
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Originally Posted by ladagobago
I really can't believe this thread has morphed into such BS. It is now useless. Who need all this lawyer crap when the OP as not to post same.
"Please don't post on this thread a bunch of legal advice, comments or opinions on if you like it or not. "
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What is needed is for everyone to read the first post and work on that. I can only imagine that this last poster is a lawyer. FL what could that possibly stand for. FL I can only imagine what that may morph into.
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You are absolutely correct! Folks like me that immediately recognized he wanted to disable a safety feature should have just ignored the entire post and follow up comments. That alone would have cut it back to 3 or 4 pages. Then if folks that don't even have a Newmar product (like you) would not have commented, that certainly would have kept it down to just a couple pages of Newmar owners that are extremely nervous of what OTR truckers think of them.
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12-13-2018, 07:39 AM
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#117
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Senior Member
Newmar Owners Club
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This subject along with LLC's seem to bring the Lawyer's(Not) and want-to-be's out running.......
It has been beat to death on here over the year's, and no one has posted any law's in any state that brake light's have to come on when using a engine brake.............Every big truck on our highway's would be in trouble! and I now wonder how I have passed my Pennsylvania "Strict" annual inspection every year for a long time now??
Let the "Home Work begin"............
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12-13-2018, 09:19 AM
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#118
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I realize this topic has pretty much been beaten to death, but I'm going to jump in anyway with a couple of points.
It is my understanding that some chassis manufacturers do not have the exhaust/engine brake lights active all the time. I believe Tiffin's PowerGlide chassis is one of them (if any owner of this chassis knows something different, please correct me).
However if and when the above is true it is mandatory that the exhaust/engine brake be activated by stepping on the service brake, and deactivated by stepping on the throttle, aka: latch mode. I have a Freightliner chassis and had this modification done through Cummins' Insite program.
On my previous coach a 2009 Freightliner, in addition to the above mod, I also had the lights disabled other than when I was applying the service brake. It was done at a Freightliner/Cummins dealer in Memphis, I'm not sure how they did it but if memory serves me correctly it was a Freightliner modification, and not done through the Cummins Insite program.
Living in northern NV and often traveling to CA to visit family and friends, I also do a lot of mountain driving, and only have an exhaust brake which will not hold my desired speed down a significant grade. I have to apply the service brake which I do by applying moderate force to the service brake for no longer than five seconds so I don't overheat the brakes.
The only way someone following me knows I am applying my service brake and actually slowing down is if they are sharp enough to notice the third brake light on my towed illuminate since that is only activated by my AF1 supplemental brake system.
I have not had the light modification on my 2017 coach done, but intend to when I find a shop that will/can do it.
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12-13-2018, 10:02 AM
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#119
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And on it goes .... my apologies to SLS .... see ya ....
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12-13-2018, 12:47 PM
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#120
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I have noticed an increasing trend of people posting on iRV2 asking for help doing something stupid, dangerous and/or illegal then trying to restrict the responses to only those willing to help him do something stupid, dangerous or illegal. When someone tries to point out that what they want to do might have unintended consequences they and like minded individuals get their panties all in a wad. Some of these folks don't know any better but are too lazy to do their homework. Others know better but are hell bent on doing what they want to do regardless of the consequences which may adversely affect other people.
Many people read these threads for many different reasons. Just because an OP is posted in a particular forum, e.g.-Newmar owner's, doesn't mean owners of other makes should stay away and not post in that thread. Trying to restrict people from posting things you don't agree with is the adult equivalent of a child sticking their fingers in their ears, closing their eyes and making noises trying to drown out the speaker.
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12-13-2018, 01:02 PM
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#121
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ladagobago
I really can't believe this thread has morphed into such BS. It is now useless. Who need all this lawyer crap when the OP as not to post same.
"Please don't post on this thread a bunch of legal advice, comments or opinions on if you like it or not. "
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What is needed is for everyone to read the first post and work on that. I can only imagine that this last poster is a lawyer. FL what could that possibly stand for. FL I can only imagine what that may morph into.
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Sheldon Cooper, is that you? I thought you were getting better at recognizing irony and sarcasm.
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12-13-2018, 02:28 PM
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Location: Metamora, MI
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Originally Posted by SLS
Has anyone figured a work-around or mod that Will Not turn on brake lights when the exhaust brake is on?
I want my brake lights OFF when my exhaust brake is ON.
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So, when your foot is on the service brake and you switch on the exhaust brake - turn the stop lights off?
Anybody got a link to the schematic for the subject vehicle?
Start at the stop light bulbs and work your way forward until you see the "Y" between the service brake triggered voltage supply and the Exhaust brake supply. I am assuming it's not ground switched. This might (likely) be on the control side of a relay. Once that is found, then it shouldn't be too difficult to change the logic with a cut wire.
No idea what else that would affect until the schematic is fully understood. Which, if you are asking the question...you might not be the one to do the analysis.
My little joke is actually serious...if you don't have the logic and wiring really understood, you can do something silly that will end up in an accident or a puff of smoke.
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12-13-2018, 07:19 PM
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I guess what I learned from 9 pages of comments is that safety is not that high on many class A owner's priority lists.
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12-13-2018, 07:56 PM
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#124
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Originally Posted by FLJOE
I guess what I learned from 9 pages of comments is that safety is not that high on many class A owner's priority lists.
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No, what you learned is the question was not about the aspects of safety, it is a wiring question.
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12-13-2018, 08:00 PM
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#125
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Winepress
No, what you learned is the question was not about the aspects of safety, it is a wiring question.
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Congratulations. I think you just did an excellent job of proving his point.
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12-13-2018, 11:20 PM
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#126
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Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: NW Arkansas
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Quote:
Originally Posted by FLJOE
You are absolutely correct! Folks like me that immediately recognized he wanted to disable a safety feature should have just ignored the entire post and follow up comments. That alone would have cut it back to 3 or 4 pages. Then if folks that don't even have a Newmar product (like you) would not have commented, that certainly would have kept it down to just a couple pages of Newmar owners that are extremely nervous of what OTR truckers think of them.
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I own a Newmar. I'm a truck driver (retired). I couldn't care less what anybody thinks. The feature he is complaining about is already on the new semi trucks and trailers. It's a good idea.
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