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Old 01-13-2019, 03:17 PM   #1
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No tail lights nor running lights

Hello friends, my 2004 Kountry Star 33 gas on W22 will not light the running nor tail lights. I have checked fuses, pulled and reinstalled and still cannot get them to light.

My headlights work fine along with brake lights and turn signals.

Here is a picture of my switch.

Thanks for any help!

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Have you used a test light to check if there is power on both sides of fuse? The fuse can look good but not letting power go through. Possible bulbs burned out? Could check the head light switch to see if there is power to that part of switch that control taillights.
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Old 01-13-2019, 04:24 PM   #3
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Thanks, I will do those test tomorrow. I don’t think its bulbs as all of them worked and now not one works. I will pull that part of the instrument panel and do some current checks. Thanks again.
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According to the schematics I have, Fuse #9 (20A) on the interior fuse panel ("C254 I/P EXTN") feeds these circuits:

Instrument Cluster lighting
Left Tail Lamps (through Fuse #42 (5A) on the panel under the hood, "C001 ENG")
Right Tail Lamps (through Fuse #43 (5A) on the panel under the hood, "C001 ENG")
Front Park Lamps (through Fuse #23 (5A) on the interior fuse panel)
License Lamps (through Fuse #17 (10A) on the interior fuse panel)
Marker Lamps (through Fuse #17 (10A) on the interior fuse panel)
Instrument Panel Dimming

It would help to know if all of these are not working, or some.
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David --

We spent a lot of time and money running down the same/similar problem or 08 MADP.

1. There's another fuse to check. It's an in-line fuse in the engine compartment for the tail and running lights that's often overlooked. Ours was in the wire sort of hanging down near the master on-off switch; the wires ran to the taillights. When we opened the rubber cover that fuse was fried. Replaced it . . . but the lights were still not working.

2. Solved the problem by taking the shroud off the steering wheel column and discovering that the wiring harness for the lights (the wiring for the lights has to go through the column to activate the turn signals and high beams on our Spartan chassis) had come apart. DISCONNECTED. There had been just enough slack in the wire to connect them but they'd worked loose. Pulled them a tad so the connection wouldn't be so tight, reconnected, and secured them with a zip tie so they wouldn't come apart again. And that solved our problem.

The fuse in the engine compartment has to be good and the harness in the steering column obviously has to be connected.

Hope this helps.
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We spent a lot of time and money running down the same/similar problem or 08 MADP.



1. There's another fuse to check. It's an in-line fuse in the engine compartment for the tail and running lights that's often overlooked. Ours was in the wire sort of hanging down near the master on-off switch; the wires ran to the taillights. When we opened the rubber cover that fuse was fried. Replaced it . . . but the lights were still not working.



2. Solved the problem by taking the shroud off the steering wheel column and discovering that the wiring harness for the lights (the wiring for the lights has to go through the column to activate the turn signals and high beams on our Spartan chassis) had come apart. DISCONNECTED. There had been just enough slack in the wire to connect them but they'd worked loose. Pulled them a tad so the connection wouldn't be so tight, reconnected, and secured them with a zip tie so they wouldn't come apart again. And that solved our problem.



The fuse in the engine compartment has to be good and the harness in the steering column obviously has to be connected.



Hope this helps.


X2 on my Dutch Star. The fuse underneath my dash directly in front of the steer column was fried.
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Old 01-15-2019, 10:03 AM   #7
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Thanks for your help. Here is what I have done so far.

1. Checked current to internal fuse. With light switch off, no current, switch on, current. Put new fuse in but still no parking lights. At least I know the switch itself is working.

2. Removed instrument panel and steering shroud to search for another internal fuse. None found inside.

3. Engine compartment, checked fuses labeled RH tail and LH tail. Both looked good so used volt meter to check for current. Turned ignition switch full on, switched light switch on, no current to these two fuses.

4. Engine compartment, searched for another fuse, none found. Later I will check for a fuse at the tail lights themselves at the rear of coach.
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Would keep searching but it gets to a point and it's time to do some rewiring. Had to do some rewiring for ceiling lights on our Essex after 2 days of not finding the wires I needed to repair the lights.
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You can pull the wiring diagram for your coach from Newmar.
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"vettenuts" suggestion to get diagrams from Newmar is a great one.

For the chassis itself, here is a link to a Workhorse wiring diagram set for your coach:

2004 Electrical Schematics W22/L18 Chassis

I got my info for post #4 from that set. Start with page 9 of the PDF (POWER DISTRIBUTION SHEET #010 PAGE 5 OF 5).
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Thank you so much for the link. I searched the website and then through all my coach papers looking for the wiring diagrams. Today I can start tracing the wires to see where the issue begins. Thanks again, Dave.
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I’m giving up for now. I spent a couple more hours removed the tail lights, no current, removed rear connector and cleaned, no change. It seems somewhere between front and rear is the problem. I never drive at night so not having the tail lights is not a big deal. Brakes and turn signal work fine. When we get back home in April, I will take it to a local dealer to fix, then I will post to let all of you know what he found. Thanks again for your help.
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Did you check for power at the switch? It seems several different fuses are responsible for providing power to the lights. Based on several different fuses I would also look for a relay.
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Yes, with a volt meter I could see power at first fuse as I turned the parking lights switch on and off. This week we are at Ho Hum RV park outside Carrabelle, Florida. We are ten feet from the water and just relaxing and enjoying the beautiful views. I need a break from my electrical problem this week. Maybe take it up again next week...maybe. Thanks again, Dave
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