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Old 05-13-2019, 12:13 PM   #1
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NON CDL Requirements

All - Posted the below into General Motorhome forum, please read it, It may apply to many of you in your home state. We all want to be safe.

NON CDL Requirements
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Ok, downloaded the CDL and GA General Driving Manuals, no where does it state I need any special endorsement. So, back to DDS, did search. Here is what I found. According to this I DON"T NEED ANY SPECIAL ENDORSEMENT to operate a MH. Food for thought. I have been told, Canada requires a special air brake endorsement and maybe something else, this for our friends up north.

https://dds.georgia.gov/book-page/1-...ptions-amended
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Old 05-13-2019, 05:09 PM   #3
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Ok, downloaded the CDL and GA General Driving Manuals, no where does it state I need any special endorsement. So, back to DDS, did search. Here is what I found. According to this I DON"T NEED ANY SPECIAL ENDORSEMENT to operate a MH. Food for thought. I have been told, Canada requires a special air brake endorsement and maybe something else, this for our friends up north.

https://dds.georgia.gov/book-page/1-...ptions-amended
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Common (MIS) interpretation... Correct you DO NOT NEED A CDL but that doesn't mean other classes or endorsements are not applicable.

Here is an excerpt from GA DL Requirements that DOES apply.
Guessing your new Newmar is >26,001 class depends further on if you tow < or > 10,000

https://dds.georgia.gov/license-classes

Class C

Any single vehicle with a gross vehicle weight rating not in excess of 26,000 pounds, any such vehicle towing a vehicle with a gross vehicle weight rating not in excess of 10,000 pounds, any such vehicle towing a vehicle with a gross vehicle weight rating in excess of 10,000 pounds, provided that the combination of vehicles has a gross combined vehicle weight rating not in excess of 26,000 pounds, and any self-propelled or towed vehicle that is equipped to serve as temporary living quarters for recreational, camping, or travel purposes and is used solely as a family or personal conveyance.

Class F (formerly Non-Commercial Class B)**

Single vehicles weighing 26,001 or more pounds; and the unit being towed is less than 10,000 pounds; and motor vehicles included within Class C. Applicants must possess a Class C driver’s license prior to obtaining a Class B driver’s license and be at least 18 years of age.

Applicants for a Driver’s License in Classes E or F (non-commercial) must submit a Form DDS-36 (Affidavit showing minimum driving experience of 3 months and/or 3,000 miles in type of vehicle for class of driver’s license being applied for.)[/U][/B]
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If you are an FMCA member, they have a document at this page that lists the license requirements, as well as the size limits for each state.

The PDF is only available when logged in. They give the caveat that it was gathered in 2015, so while good starting point, probably necessary to check with your state.

https://www.fmca.com/rv-rights
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All - Found the exemption because of "Recreational Vehicle" but office where I live is only open wed-thur, so going over Thur am and talk to them in person, phone call got original concern, web search got second opinion. Did check with truck outfit local they said I DID not need anything special other than current DL. But I want to talk to official in person, and would I be stopped, nope, more than likely the SP's don't know what the rules are.

Some good news, found out, GA changed law, so only pay 3% tax on Jeep when I register here on BDay. Used to be 7%, they lowered the rate and requirements. Also if we had bought 5th wheel, instead of new MH, we would pay tax annually on value of 5th wheel, MH's are vehicles so they only have the, initial sales tax difference, and then it's 100.00 annual weight fee + 20.00 for the tags. Love to live where it's cheap.
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I gnashed my teeth at length over this issue in SC.

Problem is you can't believe everything on the internet.

1. Web pages that purport to know what license is required where are frequently wrong.
2. State DMV web pages are frequently poorly worded so as to be confusing on this issue.
3. Some states requiring "special licenses" for heavy vehicle (non commercial) have exemptions for RVs but this isn't mentioned on the DMV website. Indeed calls to you states DMV will result in conflicting answers to outright "I don't knows.
4. Most or many LEOs don't know a special license is needed in their home state much less for out of staters. Same goes for insurance agents.

5. Many dire warnings from forum posters about legal and insurance consequences of not having the correct license but no examples of anyone being ticketed or denied an insurance claim based on an improper license. (at least none that I have seen)

6. Absolute confusion and chaos on the issue of CDL vs non CDL.

7. Just because you know you do not need a CDL doesn't mean you do not need a special license.

8. Don't blindly assume bold absolute statements from posters stating I live in $$$%^^ and we DON'T require a special license is correct. It may or may not be correct.

My experience in SC.

I went to look at a diesel pusher at 2 local RV dealerships and one private seller. They each stated in authoritative terms SC does not require a special license. When I showed each of the dealers the paragraph from the DMV website their new response was "well SC doesn't enforce it". (which is apparently true) mainly because the LEOs don't know.

DMV website clearly states a class E or F license is required over 26,000# or over 26,000# towing.

The paragraph concerning this is poorly worded and gives scant advice on how to study for the test. On a call to the main state DMV office I was transferred to the "commercial desk" they said no this isn't a commercial issue and transferred me back to the main desk. Her response was , "well you need a CDL"
Finally after MANY trips to the local DMV I found all the requirements, study material and factas about the written and practical test.

My sons experience in Alabama

Alabama DMV website offers only class D licenses (standard drivers license)
or Class A, B, &C licenses for over 26,000#s and towing. While these A,B,&C licenses are all CDLs the website doesn't state that.

No where does the DMV website address RVs.

A call to Alabama DMV results are similar to the SC DMV outlined above.

My son found an Alabama statute exempting RVs from special licensing.

He called the DMV back to inform them and their response was 'really? I didn't know that". Before investigating my son didn't know it either and he is a police officer. None of his LEO friends at the stat, county, and local levels knew either.

My brothers experience in Texas
He knew up front a special license was needed but got little guidance on study for the tests. Went to his local DMV to take the written clearly stating it was private use RV and they gave him the written for a CDL.

Took several calls to the main office and 2 more visits to the local DMV to get the correct NON CDL test.

Bottom line.

Do your own EXTENSIVE homework for your state.

Never believe a salesman.

View forum postings with a healthy degree of skepticism as most people don't know what they don't know.

Don't confuse not needing a CDL with not needing a special license.
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