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Old 04-24-2019, 07:21 PM   #15
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We went from a BayStar 3124 to a MA. I tried to take the advice of many here who said to buy your last coach first. I thought about going to a Ventana or maybe DS, but we simply loved the MA and it had everything we could ever want. We still feel that way. The three models above ours are beautiful, but they just had things we didn’t want or need, and I agree with Neal, they all “felt” the same inside as they are basically identical floorplans with upgraded amenities..

This winter in Naples we had the opportunity to walk through brand new 45’ Prevosts and a Newell (which was by far my favorite), and as cool as it would be to have one, at the end of the day it is the same size and space, and I don’t know that I would enjoy it 5x more than the MA.

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Old 04-24-2019, 08:02 PM   #16
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It took us three tries to get the right coach. We started with a 2010 34' Baystar. We enjoyed it as our first coach but the noise and handling got to us. My wife also hated to drive it which I have always preferred her to know and enjoy ho to do. We next had a 2011 40' Ventana certainly a better driving and much quieter coach. She liked driving it and after a couple of years we both agreed that the floor plan could have been better. Not to mention we felt that it was still underpowered for us here in the west. Last year we finally found what we think should be our last coach. A 2017 4519 Mountain Aire. The floor plan is perfect, a smoother ride yet and plenty on power. It has all the amenities that we could ask for. We have added 1400 watts of solar to it. Also a hybrid inverter and not to far done the road some lithium batteries. Also thinking about the HWH Active Air but I want to be sure that it would be worth the $10k+ to add. Being all electric I enjoy not having to deal with propane and worry about leaks or whether I shut it off for the drive. In six days it becomes our home as we are moving into it from the house. Was it the right choice? All the way and we never look back.

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Old 04-24-2019, 08:56 PM   #17
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Neal C - I am going to be the odd ball here. I have a 40' currently, with every bell and whistle you can imagine, air ride suspension, HWH slides/Jacks, 2-15BUT HP/AC's Silverleaf total management system, LED front TV, dishwasher, Magnum 2800 watt inverter, 8 AGM batts, electric gray/black waste valves, smart beds, all of it. We are going DOWN to 34' Ventana because we want less technology, and more good ole standard stuff. If the tech goes bonkers, you are stuck, if the Silverleaf on our coach goes out, there are no manual overrides, you cannot even fill fresh water tank, the only manual switch are for slides, smart beds. No storing the jacks, nothing. Give me the simple, and this is coming from a retired Computer Specialist and a Master Certified RV Tech. Take a power surge, and some of it gets through the Surge Guard, and you wont have anything but a big hunk of steel/fiberglass which wont work. If you like what you got, keep it, but I am staying away from as much tech as I can, realize the new one has some, but not as much as now. Plus, we have seen the SW, Central West and the PNW, now we want to explore the eastern seaboard, the roads are winder, the hills seem steeper, and the spaces in the NP, SP, and some Private CG are smaller, so smaller one for us. I do like the all electric coach option, no more messing with propane, and like the oasis heat/water system. Really looking forward to the new coach. FWIW-Smart Beds are hydraulic operated storage drawers, which open out. Each can store 750 lbs. (if you filled each to that weight, there is no weight room for you) They are nice, until, they sneak open, or a HWH hose leaks. If you have bad back, or knees and cannot kneel down, they are great, but I find, that the thing I need is in the drawer I just opened to get the other thing I need. Doors are so much easier. I don't know if this will be the "coach of our dreams" everything in life is a comprise, I will miss stuff, but, this is our last one I can tell you that. My 2 cents worth.

There is some tech I would not leave home without, cell phone, dedicated Weather Alert Radio-saved life in AL one time. Don't depend on phone, in some back water places, your phone won't work, but the NOAA alert system reaches everywhere.
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Old 04-29-2019, 10:11 PM   #18
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We all dreamer of bigger and better. I was at Gaffney a week ago and there was an absolutely gorgeous 2019 MADP there (yes, on FL), paint scheme is white with black, red, gold accents. Keep your doors locked and hide the keys!

So I wonder though, for those that have changed models such as upgrading to a higher line coach, how does it feel inside after time in other words does it really feel much different? Reason I ask is the living space seems the same on most of the Newmars. If you went with a longer coach then that's on the arse end typically, aft of the bedroom is where those gains are. We all seem to have the same sofa, dinette, kitchen living area, obviously with varied floor plans.

Do you notice much difference when at the CG and living in your upgraded coach? Does it all feel the same in the end? What are you noticing different, likes or dislikes between your prior and current coach?

Someday I'd consider something new but I have a feeling I'd really regret letting go of the old.
Went from a Canyon Star 3953 (40') to the Ventana 4037. Besides the obvious Diesel advantages (air bags, tag, quiet) we have the same inside functionality (dish washer, wash/dry, bath and 1/2) even selected the same dinette with roll top table. The NUMBER one difference inside is the Full Wall Slide (CS had 4 slides), hands down the biggest (not pun intended) improvement in livability. NUMBER two would be the 2 recliner layout of the 4037.

While we love the fancier ceiling and tile floor, those above where the number 1 and 2 livability.

Driving wise Number 1 would be the engine brake.
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Old 05-01-2019, 04:10 AM   #19
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It's funny as this is interpreted as me wanting to buy something...okay, who doesn't, but no, I feel I just completed my VTDP and am ready to start enjoying it. A year of warranty shake down, two years of upgrades from solar, boogey lights LED lighting and underglow, HWH Active Air, the long list goes on. I like others am looking at coaches all the time and I see the very same living area. I have the King bed, I have tag axle, etc. so these changes are more subtle to me. I don't personally believe going from a Ventana 4037 to a DS of the same would be significant. Personal opinions. There are things I greatly enjoy on my VTDP from being able to get on the roof, not having a side radiator and enjoying the storage (I go to Gaffney annually for service), and the simplicity and reliability of the non tech systems. I think 40ft coach is about as much as I want to deal with, it is stressful everytime I go somewhere dealing with fuel stops, parking, doing my best to not have to unhook from getting into someplace I shouldn't be which I was really good at the first year! I've been to many parks where 40ft was the max, we adapt to what we have. I wouldn't know of the 40ft max size if I didn't have one, I'd fine CG's with 43 or 45 max size if that's what I had.

One day I'm looking at Essex, then I see an absolutely gorgeous MADP and want that, 4018...do I want to deal with a 45er? Do I need to spend so much more on another 40ft coach when it's nearly identical forward of the bedroom. Newmar just doesn't make the models that different between the DP lines.

Hence my question here is what are people noticing when they go to something new? I realize some that have smaller size beds/baths, etc. or non tag to tag see the differences. I'm really just asking about forward of the bedroom.

Regardless, a new coach is a great experience (usually) and for that reason alone I will probably do it again someday. Can my VTDP suit me for the rest of my life? Yeah, I think so. I think it's an amazing coach and I've mod'd it up to high line features so I don't need to spend 200-400K more to get those niceties.

I'm just thinking out loud and soliciting the experience of others that either thought these thoughts or pursued them and rotated coaches. If I could get something new and keep my payments where they are now, I'd consider it but would I really feel much of a difference in the end? I can tell you I'm now more relieved and settled into mine and going through that "new MH process" is exhausting, granted, as my first MH there was a lot of learning involved as well in all of these complex systems.

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Hi Neil,
So now that you have Active Air how do you like it and how far have you driven with it?
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Old 05-01-2019, 02:00 PM   #20
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We are finding that small changes add up in terms of big enjoyment. We recently went from a 2014 Bay Star 3308 to a 2019 Bay Star 3626. Same basic floor plan (one we liked more than any other) but where they allocated that additional 3' throughout the coach made a huge difference in overall livability.
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Old 05-01-2019, 08:16 PM   #21
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Originally Posted by lenny-shawna View Post
Hi Neil,
So now that you have Active Air how do you like it and how far have you driven with it?
Enjoying it, definitely less leans and more stable in turns. Loving the air leveling. I got it installed in December and have driven about 2,000 miles since.
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Old 05-02-2019, 04:19 AM   #22
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Enjoying it, definitely less leans and more stable in turns. Loving the air leveling. I got it installed in December and have driven about 2,000 miles since.
We are considering adding it due to the positive posts and better ride quality. Last year we put over 12,000 miles on her

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