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Old 09-05-2019, 06:11 PM   #29
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Every chassis since 1996 has a port to get engine, transmission, and brake codes from the emc. You can do this with the Bluefire adapter and use any tablet, phone, or computer.
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I did the same thing three years ago, got the same response. Tech also mentioned it was so much easier to diagnose any issues with the Spartan. Just plug into the port, the chassis will tell you where the problem is. Another advantage of the all digital
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Tom,

Thanks for replying and the information. You brought up another good point in the Cummins vs Caterpillar debate.
What is your stance (if any) on the FL/Cat vs the SP/Cummins 8.3?
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You gave me very good advice on previous issues. What is your opinion of the older (98-03) FL vs SP?



Thanks


I really have little/no experience on the pre 2016 chassis so I would not be the one to ask.
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Tom,

Thanks for replying and the information. You brought up another good point in the Cummins vs Caterpillar debate.
What is your stance (if any) on the FL/Cat vs the SP/Cummins 8.3?
With our own experience, talking to many owners and reading on this topic I would have to say the Spartan and Cummins chassis would be long favored over the CAT and FL. IF you check resale prices this would confirm which is preferred choice. Remember CAT hasn't made on the highway engines for 10 years now. FL really got into the chassis business big time when in 2010 they had purchased thousands of pre emission motors so in 2010 and 11 they could sell their FL chassis with 09 engines which were about 10K less then the emission 2010 diesel engines. The 8.3 Cummins engine I feel is better then CAT 7.2 engine.
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Tom,

You corroborated what I had suspected. And the resale value is always a good indicator when discussing any vehicle.

And I had forgotten about the 2010 diesel mandates that went into effect.

I guess my old 2001 Monaco Dynasty with its side radiator, Cummins 8.3L, Spartan chassis and semi-monocoque tubular frame is pretty hard to beat for the old coaches. I reckon I’ll keep her. And best of all ...... she’s paid for!
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I started a similar thread last week comparing chassis.

Freightliner vs Spartan


I am also looking at Ventana, you do have a choice of chassis for any tag axle 40-43' coach.
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I started a similar thread last week comparing chassis.

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I am also looking at Ventana, you do have a choice of chassis for any tag axle 40-43' coach.


Yes. The Ventana is what DS has been The Spartan chassis would make it that better
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Tom,

You corroborated what I had suspected. And the resale value is always a good indicator when discussing any vehicle.

And I had forgotten about the 2010 diesel mandates that went into effect.

I guess my old 2001 Monaco Dynasty with its side radiator, Cummins 8.3L, Spartan chassis and semi-monocoque tubular frame is pretty hard to beat for the old coaches. I reckon Ill keep her. And best of all ...... shes paid for!
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We bought new a 04 Essex and had it 14 years and had over 140K miles when we purchased our 18 London Aire. You are right, the Essex was paid for but do we real enjoy all the improvements made in 14 years. For us it was what we needed to get fired up for traveling in our new Newmar. The Essex was a great coach but the London Aire is something else. Because we travel around 15 to 20 thousand miles a year and spend almost 200 days on the road each year it was worth it.
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