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12-07-2017, 03:14 PM
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Senior Member
Gulf Streamers Club
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Originally Posted by Quincy
Presumably the hole the slide comes out of will be square once the chassis is level. If the chassis is racked and the hole is not square the slide could bind. JMHO
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Not sure level is a requirement of smooth slide operation. When sitting on the tires, the ground is deciding if the frame is twisted or not. When leveled on the jacks, the frame shouldn't be twisted, BUT it's being supported by the jack anchor points, not the suspension supported points. wildtoad did the wise thing, he checked slide gap before extending them, even though his leveling system said everything was good. I'd suggest each MH owner examine which way works best for their MH and ignore all the 'experts' that tell them how it should be --- unless said 'experts' are willing to pay to repair the damage!
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12-07-2017, 03:38 PM
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Absent mfgr. requirements, jacks level then slides. Think of it like this: if the rig hasn't been leveled, the slide openings might not be square (especially on weaker-framed units), so leveling and squaring the frames makes for better slide operation. That's my theory and I'm sticking to it.
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12-07-2017, 05:02 PM
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Newmar Owners Club
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Originally Posted by wildtoad
Either way you end up doing it, and it may differ from campsite to campsite, go outside and check to see that the slides are not in a position to bind. The is not a always do it this way answer for large slides (or even small slides). Go look.
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I agree, check the outside edges of the slide for signs of binding prior to extension.
That said, I have yet to find a reason or need to disregard the procedure as stated in the owner's manual.
Safe travels!
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12-07-2017, 05:08 PM
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We only took delivery a few weeks ago, but the dealer was very specific about leveling procedure. Check reveal and if all looks good then deploy slides and then level. When breaking camp go back on aired suspension and then bring slides back in.
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12-08-2017, 02:42 PM
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Newmar Owners Club
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For FLJOE his post is correct for him and his year of coach. This is not for the OP.
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12-08-2017, 09:07 PM
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Like I have said before lets not start to give the wrong answers for a different coach, TO THE OP, as between a gas coach and a DP.
This link has them all.
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12-08-2017, 10:15 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 007";3929909]Lets not confuse the operation with newer coaches or some other SOB's.
Welcome to the forum.
A 2003 Newmar coach your[B][URL="http://www.irv2.com/forums/f103/help-full-wall-slide-crooked-224270-2.html#post2283116
jacks are lowered first[/URL][/B] than your slides deployed, when leaving slides in and jacks retracted.
Always use with shore line plugged in or Gen running for a full 12v of power for 12v motors.
Your jack system works in pairs and you cannot change that.
Link to find all your tsb's, brochure, --- owners guide, recalls and other important info.
All links below in my signature have links to more info for your Newmar.
Enjoy the forum and safe travels.
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Mr Bond,
I've asked this question on another forum and received no answer.
How does running the generator or being plugged in to shore power provide a 12vDC power source for, in my case, the hydraulic HWH motor to deploy the jacks and slides?
I understand that it will power the inverter/charger and begin charging the house batteries. It will begin charging at a rate of approximately 100A/hr. At that rate it will restore perhaps 4-5 Amps to the batteries in the 2-3 minutes it takes to level and extend the slides. By my calculations, actually an internet based calculator, my +/- 750ah battery bank will run the HWH motor continuously for 90 minutes, perhaps drawing down the batteries only 2-3% while leveling and extending. Is there really any significant benefit? I maybe use 15-20ah and put back 4-5ah. Either way I'm down between 10-20ah.
The HWH manual does not mention the necessity of an external 120vAC power source to run the motor. Our resident HWH expert and current HWH employee agrees with that information. Right or wrong, I have never been plugged in or run the generator while running the hydraulic motor to deploy or retract the slides and jacks. I would love an explanation.
For the record, I'm a jacks down slides out proponent. And glad to have a chassis where the slides extend smoothly when the coach is level. Probably gonna hear about that.
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12-08-2017, 10:50 PM
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Your 12v battery is actually 12.7v fully charged. When on the inverter/charger, the voltage is at 13.4v or a bit more. That extra voltage will run the hydraulic pump with a bit more speed than batteries alone. One thing I noted in "007"s post, it mentioned shore power or generator. Wouldn't running the engine give the same voltage boost from the alternator? Of course, your campground neighbors might not like the noise, but it also ups the voltage a bit for the same effect of the inverter/charger.
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12-09-2017, 08:13 AM
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BFlinn181 , You got it Right !
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12-09-2017, 08:44 AM
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Hi RVPioneer,
Running the generator or having 120 VAC from shore power will help if the batteries are not fully charged or are worn with age. When the slides are slower than normal or the satellite will not work on straight 12 VDC it is the first indication to me that the batteries need attention. In a perfect world and with new batteries everything should work just fine with batteries alone. However, we know that is not reality. Jacks and slides take a lot of AMPS. One can always try the batteries alone and if not working as should, Provide some 120 VAC to the systems (converter, inverter, etc.) to help them out. Works for me.
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12-09-2017, 11:22 AM
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Thx. That's how we have always done it. And have had no problem. 2003 Newmar KSDP
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12-09-2017, 11:36 AM
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Senior Member
Newmar Owners Club
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Quote:
Originally Posted by FLJOE
We only took delivery a few weeks ago, but the dealer was very specific about leveling procedure. Check reveal and if all looks good then deploy slides and then level. When breaking camp go back on aired suspension and then bring slides back in.
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On our 18 DS 4369 we were told something a little different... We were told to put the full wall side out first then level the coach and then put out the PS slides and the opposite for bring them back in...?
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12-09-2017, 11:49 AM
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Monaco Owners Club
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As per Monaco, the designer/builder. Deploy slides, dump air then level with jacks. I would assume the designers and builders probably understand the dynamics better than a lay person. The slides are installed at ride height at the factory.
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12-09-2017, 12:33 PM
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Senior Member
Gulf Streamers Club
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sicduc
On our 18 DS 4369 we were told something a little different... We were told to put the full wall side out first then level the coach and then put out the PS slides and the opposite for bring them back in...?
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You can check in your manual or the links "007" provided to verify what the dealer told you. Dealers are sometimes not the best source of correct information. As has been said numerous times in this thread, different procedures for different makes, models, so double check what you've been told and follow Abe's advice:
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