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Old 05-10-2018, 04:48 PM   #15
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The lamps themselves might be DOT approved, but that isn't the problem.

Questions needs to be - is retrofitting these bulbs into a conventional housing designed for conventional filament bulbs DOT approved. In other countries - Europe and Australia - HID is not approved unless the entire light assembly is designed for those bulbs

However, in this case they are merely filament bulbs so should be OK
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The lamps themselves might be DOT approved, but that isn't the problem.

Questions needs to be - is retrofitting these bulbs into a conventional housing designed for conventional filament bulbs DOT approved. In other countries - Europe and Australia - HID is not approved unless the entire light assembly is designed for those bulbs

However, in this case they are merely filament bulbs so should be OK


Thanks for the reply - The Sylvania bulbs used in this upgrade are exact 55 watt replacement bulbs which are no different than if you just replaced your original 9005 bulb with the same 9005 bulb. The only difference is its more efficient and a different color temperature than the original which will have no effect on the housing.



In any case, the bulbs are DOT approved and 100% street legal. I have heard from a few sources the new bulbs only draw 38 watts ,but I have not confirmed that yet.

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Quick rant.

I own several Newmar early 2000's I find it absolutely irresponsible that any mfg, especially Newmar, to design, produce and sell their RVs with such obvious lack of concern for the safety of its customers and the transportation community (fellow travelers) included.

To hear that this is going on in an age that has so many better alternatives is disheartening.
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Old 05-10-2018, 09:56 PM   #18
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I own several Newmar early 2000's I find it absolutely irresponsible that any mfg, especially Newmar, to design, produce and sell their RVs with such obvious lack of concern for the safety of its customers and the transportation community (fellow travelers) included.



To hear that this is going on in an age that has so many better alternatives is disheartening.


It is not just Newmar, believe me.
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Every motorhome, vehicle and bike I've owned up to a few years ago had standard yellow dim halogen lamps that needed replacement.

On newer vehicles they are offering the same technology I used the article. My VW Dune where the same Xenon headlights were a $800 option. My ELR CAD has LED's but I paid for them.


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THANK YOU so much for sharing! They will also be going into my FJ Cruiser toad
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Old 05-11-2018, 09:17 AM   #21
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2015 VT 4369- low beams go out when switching to high beam. Is this operationally correct,
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In most cases that is typical operation.
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Many thanks for the reply's guys!!


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I think there is an open recall on this issue. You might want to check the web or call newmar directly.

To add to the conversation, I have replaced every set of headlight bulbs in every vehicle I’ve owned, except for two vehicles that already had HID/led bulbs. I will tell you the best money spent is on actual HID bulbs, not xenon filled or blue tinted or even the led bulbs. They just don’t produce enough light. True HID bulbs with ballasts will produce the energy and replicate the light pattern that the reflectors were designed to put out using the standard halogen bulbs.

I will be replacing my DS bulbs when we pick it up with true HID bulbs with the highest output rating, typically 55w.
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I think there is an open recall on this issue. You might want to check the web or call newmar directly.

To add to the conversation, I have replaced every set of headlight bulbs in every vehicle I’ve owned, except for two vehicles that already had HID/led bulbs. I will tell you the best money spent is on actual HID bulbs, not xenon filled or blue tinted or even the led bulbs. They just don’t produce enough light. True HID bulbs with ballasts will produce the energy and replicate the light pattern that the reflectors were designed to put out using the standard halogen bulbs.
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I will be replacing my DS bulbs when we pick it up with true HID bulbs with the highest output rating, typically 55w.
Thanks for the reply - the problem with true HID's is they require high voltage ballast as well as a module for the Can-Bus. Also few are DOT approved not street legal.

A guy I ride with installed a set of the HID/LED's in his truck and I could not ride in front of him for the un-wanted lobs blinding me on low beam.

Can you share the one's your using, I'm sure a lot of guys wold like to look at an option.

Thanks - Mike


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There is a post here on 5-5-18 about a recall starting in June for this issue.
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Thanks for the reply - the problem with true HID's is they require high voltage ballast as well as a module for the Can-Bus. Also few are DOT approved not street legal.

A guy I ride with installed a set of the HID/LED's in his truck and I could not ride in front of him for the un-wanted lobs blinding me on low beam.

Can you share the one's your using, I'm sure a lot of guys wold like to look at an option.

Thanks - Mike


OK...I'm not sure we are talking apples to apples. Let me start with ILLEGAL HID/LED upgrades that are not DOT approved. These are the ones that provide bulbs that fit in your stock headlight assembly and add ballasts. Too many times owners that make this conversion don't give a damn or at least are ignorant about how it affects other drivers. These upgrades can be hit or miss on the ability to properly aim/focus the beam because the "hot spots" are not in the same place as stock halogen bulbs. If you move the hot spot, you affect beam properties.

Legal upgrades do require a ballast but do NOT universally require Can-Bus modules but that depends on installation decisions. I converted my halogen lights to HIDs a few years ago. I did it the CORRECT way. I replaced my Hella 90mm Halogen modules with DOT approved Hella 90mm HID modules. I also properly aimed them according to established standards.

HOWEVER...I had to do the following things to make them work. Keep in mind that I am speaking specifically to coaches on Spartan chassis in the 2006 range. I think there is a wide range of Spartan coaches with the same Spartan Controller module that operates the headlight system.

1. I had to disconnect daytime running lights by removing 2 outputs from the Spartan controller.
2. I installed relays to provide positive and negative connections directly to the ballasts. I used the B+ & B- connections at the back of the generator to provide clean power through the relays to the ballasts.
3. I used the power connections that went to the original headlights to trigger the relays. I did not have to add any Can-Bus modules.

The net effect was:

1. Loss of DRLs. Since I travel with headlights on, not an issue. There are kits to work around this issue and for Canadian vehicles that is an issue that must be addressed.
2. No changes in turning headlights on and off. All controls retain normal function.
3. MUCH improved visibility with clean, crisp cutoff of the low beams meeting standard alignment practices. In fact, I did lower the cut off a very, very small distance and still extremely happy with the outcome.
4. It wasn't cheap. Cost was around $1500. I know there will be people that say I was an idiot for spending that much but it was my choice to be street legal and avoid undue glare for oncoming drivers.

All work was done with the help/advice of Daniel Stern who is recognized as an expert in the field of automotive lighting.
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I’m seeing several reviews on you tube that these lights are whiter yes. But actually dimmer than own bulbs. They give you the look of hid due to brighter white. But don’t light up further down road. Just cleared right in front of you. Any other opinions on these after install from anyone.
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