Who's At Camp Newmar?

[Calpop45]

Good Grief, People! Get over the train thing! It’s not going to change however much you complain about it! Residents of Nappanee seem quite content with living with it every day (and night), and you’re only in town for a few days. “Matt should make some calls”.....Really?

[NealC]

Originally Posted by Calpop45

Good Grief, People! Get over the train thing! It’s not going to change however much you complain about it! Residents of Nappanee seem quite content with living with it every day (and night), and you’re only in town for a few days. “Matt should make some calls”.....Really?

Yeah really! You are assuming the residents of Napp are okay with it. Why a train would continually sound their horn through a town next to residences does not pass the common sense test to me. Now you'll have 50+ coaches sleeping at the track among the residences. Maybe trains should exercise Quiet Hours ya know? The silent one is never heard.

[Busskipper]

Originally Posted by NealC

Yeah really! You are assuming the residents of Napp are okay with it. Why a train would continually sound their horn through a town next to residences does not pass the common sense test to me. Now you'll have 50+ coaches sleeping at the track among the residences. Maybe trains should exercise Quiet Hours ya know? The silent one is never heard.

When the DW and I first Traveled, using RV Parks across the US - She asked "Is it a rule that RV parks are only by Train tracks and Airports?" seems as if they end up close more often than not. - ----

Grin and Bear it, that's just the way it is.---

[NealC]

Originally Posted by Busskipper

When the DW and I first Traveled, using RV Parks across the US - She asked "Is it a rule that RV parks are only by Train tracks and Airports?" seems as if they end up close more often than not. - ----

Grin and Bear it, that's just the way it is.---

I prefer airports. I’ve been good at getting under final approach such as Carowinds in Charlotte. Last time there airplanes for two days nonstop. Good thing I have noise cancelling headphones

[Busskipper]

Originally Posted by NealC

I prefer airports. I’ve been good at getting under final approach such as Carowinds in Charlotte. Last time there airplanes for two days nonstop. Good thing I have moose cancelling headphones

[emoji106] - just hard to roll over in - - [emoji106]

[JMonroe]

My theory - land is cheaper near airports and railroads.

Gary is correct, use of train horn is dictated by a combination of statute and liability concerns. From experience I can tell you a permanent resident learns to tune them out after a relatively short time. My uncle's house was 20' from an active set of tracks. After the first week I was no longer awakened by the 2AM frieght.

For us, close the windows, turn on the bedroom A/C fan on low, sleep was never disturbed.

[VP Chianese]

Originally Posted by NealC

Yeah really! You are assuming the residents of Napp are okay with it. Why a train would continually sound their horn through a town next to residences does not pass the common sense test to me. Now you'll have 50+ coaches sleeping at the track among the residences. Maybe trains should exercise Quiet Hours ya know? The silent one is never heard.

Not happening. For several reasons.

First it is Federal Law that a train must blow it's horn at every crossing.

"This federal requirement preempts any state or local laws regarding the use of train horns at public crossings. The Federal Railroad Administration (FRA) required pattern for blowing the horn is two long, one short, and one long sounding horn, repeated as necessary until the locomotive clears the crossing.".

Second there is a Quit Zone Rule.

https://www.up.com/real_estate/roadx...uiet/index.htm

But before anyone gets excited about this rule read the bottom section.

"Establishing quiet zones not only creates a public safety risk but also is a potential cost burden to taxpayers. Public authorities are responsible for the cost of preliminary engineering, construction, maintenance and replacement of active warning devices or their components, including wayside horn systems installed at crossings to meet quiet zone standards.

Public authorities are required to execute a preliminary engineering agreement with Union Pacific to reimburse the railroad for all project development and engineering design costs. This agreement requires the following deposits:

$ 5,000 per wayside horn location
$10,000 per crossing signal location
Public authorities are required to guarantee reimbursement to the railroad for all actual costs associated with the installation and maintenance of the railroad improvements required for the quiet zone by means of a project agreement executed by the parties. This may include quiet zone warning devices, wayside horns or both.

Examples of costs as estimated by Union Pacific:

Four-Quadrant Gate Systems - $300,000 to $500,000
Basic Active Warning System* - $185,000 to $400,000
(*Includes Flashing Lights and Gates, Constant Warning Time, Power Out Indicator and Cabin.)
Basic Inter-Connect - $5,000 to $15,000
Annual Maintenance - $4,000 to $10,000"

My guess without counting is there are at least six or eight crossings from Amish Acres to the other side of the new camp grounds. Using averaging of the above numbers that's about $700 k to install each one and $7 k per year to maintain them and we all know they will never do it for the average number more like the high numbers.

So seven to ten million bucks so that you can sleep for six nights a year ain't happening.

[Lenmar]

Originally Posted by phototex

We day boarded our 2 dogs at the Nappanee Veterinary Hospital. I don't remember if they board cats or not.

Yes they do take cats. We boarded ours there for a week. Definitely recommend them.

[MrsSquid]

Originally Posted by NealC

I'm getting one installed in my MH in December

Originally Posted by willipaul

having one is a blast.....

Hmm...mental note to self...do not let husband see this thread...he's already asking about a train horn...nothing to read here, honey...

[Calpop45]

You’re absolutely right, NealC: “The quiet one is never heard”. Except in that micro second when it takes the front of your vehicle off. Whaddya say we stress over something just a little more important.
Merry Christmas

[RKins]

"If" the "hood" is bothered by the train (and you know they are - you can't ignore that sound) I think it would be simple to block most of the streets (dead ends at RR tracks) and funnel all traffic to points at both ends of town. Now you have horns at a few miles apart instead of constant. (I realize you can still hear them at a couple miles away but it should help) Sounds like it would be financially sound too based on this earlier post.

Originally Posted by VP Chianese

Not happening. For several reasons.

First it is Federal Law that a train must blow it's horn at every crossing.

"This federal requirement preempts any state or local laws regarding the use of train horns at public crossings. The Federal Railroad Administration (FRA) required pattern for blowing the horn is two long, one short, and one long sounding horn, repeated as necessary until the locomotive clears the crossing.".

Second there is a Quit Zone Rule.

https://www.up.com/real_estate/roadx...uiet/index.htm

But before anyone gets excited about this rule read the bottom section.

"Establishing quiet zones not only creates a public safety risk but also is a potential cost burden to taxpayers. Public authorities are responsible for the cost of preliminary engineering, construction, maintenance and replacement of active warning devices or their components, including wayside horn systems installed at crossings to meet quiet zone standards.

Public authorities are required to execute a preliminary engineering agreement with Union Pacific to reimburse the railroad for all project development and engineering design costs. This agreement requires the following deposits:

$ 5,000 per wayside horn location
$10,000 per crossing signal location
Public authorities are required to guarantee reimbursement to the railroad for all actual costs associated with the installation and maintenance of the railroad improvements required for the quiet zone by means of a project agreement executed by the parties. This may include quiet zone warning devices, wayside horns or both.

Examples of costs as estimated by Union Pacific:

Four-Quadrant Gate Systems - $300,000 to $500,000
Basic Active Warning System* - $185,000 to $400,000
(*Includes Flashing Lights and Gates, Constant Warning Time, Power Out Indicator and Cabin.)
Basic Inter-Connect - $5,000 to $15,000
Annual Maintenance - $4,000 to $10,000"

My guess without counting is there are at least six or eight crossings from Amish Acres to the other side of the new camp grounds. Using averaging of the above numbers that's about $700 k to install each one and $7 k per year to maintain them and we all know they will never do it for the average number more like the high numbers.

So seven to ten million bucks so that you can sleep for six nights a year ain't happening.

[We_B_Tripn]

I must be a heavy sleeper because when we were there in July I didn’t even notice the trains. Now the new campground will probably be different with the much closer proximity to the tracks.

[WardSimmons]

Speaking of, any status report on the new Camp Newmar? I’m arriving Monday, and I trust I’ll be at the old location.

[Indy Glenn]

Originally Posted by RKins

"If" the "hood" is bothered by the train (and you know they are - you can't ignore that sound) I think it would be simple to block most of the streets (dead ends at RR tracks) and funnel all traffic to points at both ends of town. Now you have horns at a few miles apart instead of constant. (I realize you can still hear them at a couple miles away but it should help) Sounds like it would be financially sound too based on this earlier post.

Great idea......unless your home is on fire and fire apparatus is on the other side of the tracks - this is where minutes count. Oh wait - - what happens to the person who may be in cardiac arrest and the ambulance has to go to the end of town to get across the tracks - this is where seconds count.....

These tracks and crossings have been there before most of us have been on this planet. So if one was to buy a house trackside - whose to blame????

Just sayin'......

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