|
|
08-23-2013, 07:07 PM
|
#1
|
Senior Member
Tiffin Owners Club
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 305
|
Why No Induction Cooktop Option
Just realized Newmar doesn't offer induction cooktops in their all electric option. Does anyone know why?
|
|
|
|
Join the #1 RV Forum Today - It's Totally Free!
iRV2.com RV Community - Are you about to start a new improvement on your RV or need some help with some maintenance? Do you need advice on what products to buy? Or maybe you can give others some advice? No matter where you fit in you'll find that iRV2 is a great community to join. Best of all it's totally FREE!
You are currently viewing our boards as a guest so you have limited access to our community. Please take the time to register and you will gain a lot of great new features including; the ability to participate in discussions, network with other RV owners, see fewer ads, upload photographs, create an RV blog, send private messages and so much, much more!
|
08-23-2013, 07:41 PM
|
#2
|
Senior Member
Newmar Owners Club
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Somewhere....
Posts: 4,054
|
Good question. We're having them retro-fit one in ours next month. I expect you could get one as a special if you were ordering a new unit.
__________________
2008 King Aire 4562, Spartan K3(GT) w/ Cummins ISX 600
2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee Overland 5.7L V8 Hemi w/ Blue Ox Aventa LX Tow Bar and baseplate, SMI Air Force One brake
|
|
|
08-23-2013, 07:47 PM
|
#3
|
Senior Member
Newmar Owners Club Winnebago Owners Club Mid Atlantic Campers Freightliner Owners Club
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Grand Rapids, Michigan
Posts: 1,244
|
It IS good question, no doubt about it. We actually have seen induction cooktops in some of the units at the factory so there must be availability as a special item as suggested.
So many of these things we see on the cutting edge end up being standards that many people want. It would surprise me if induction is not one of those things and is more and more readily available on stock units.
Induction is one of the best for an all electric coach application for sure.
Glad you posted on this.
Deek
__________________
”Deek” / FMCA #363986
2023 Winnebago View 24D Bay Mist II
What a Hoot!
|
|
|
08-23-2013, 08:12 PM
|
#4
|
Registered User
Monaco Owners Club
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Varies Depending on The Weather
Posts: 8,517
|
A decent high quality induction stove-top would require a dedicated 240 VAC power line for it to run efficiently and that would be for a double cook-top.
You can find a decent portable single induction cook top for a lot less money and power, only one 120 VAC line needed.
With the built-in unit you would need to have some sort of EMS device to monitor your total 100 amp usage when using 50 amp RV service. Then if you happen to be on a 30 amp pedestal, well GOOD LUCK with that.
Dr4Film ----- Richard
|
|
|
08-23-2013, 08:18 PM
|
#5
|
Senior Member
Newmar Owners Club
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Somewhere....
Posts: 4,054
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr4Film
A decent high quality induction stove-top would require a dedicated 240 VAC power line for it to run efficiently and that would be for a double cook-top.
You can find a decent portable single induction cook top for a lot less money and power, only one 120 VAC line needed.
With the built-in unit you would need to have some sort of EMS device to monitor your total 100 amp usage when using 50 amp RV service. Then if you happen to be on a 30 amp pedestal, well GOOD LUCK with that.
|
There are double cooktops that only use 120VAC, they use a power-sharing system to limit total draw. We're getting on put in.
Many high end coaches (the ones that have enough batteries and inverter capacity to really be "all electric") have 240VAC, so that's not really an issue. They don't usually have 240VAC from the inverter, though. And they have the EMS as well.
But none of that is really the issue. All electric is all electric. Which means it HAS to have an electric cooktop. The question is why is Newmar still putting in less efficient radiant electric cooktops instead of induction ones.
Honestly, IMO they're just too conservative and it takes them longer to go to something new, even if it's better. Witness their lack of integration of the coach systems with personal wireless devices, for the high end coaches. The integration they've got for the KGDB is pitiful, for a coach that lists at almost $1M.
__________________
2008 King Aire 4562, Spartan K3(GT) w/ Cummins ISX 600
2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee Overland 5.7L V8 Hemi w/ Blue Ox Aventa LX Tow Bar and baseplate, SMI Air Force One brake
|
|
|
08-23-2013, 08:22 PM
|
#6
|
Senior Member
Newmar Owners Club Freightliner Owners Club
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Today? Clayton, North Carolina
Posts: 5,093
|
The other side of induction is that your selection of cookware is limited. It must be ferrous metal. AL and SS won't fly. [note: we tried the steel disk "adaptor" you can buy, but found that it loses so much efficiency it renders the whole induction concept pointless.] Based on our search, that means cheap steel or cast iron. We have a couple of the latter that we use on our single portable 10" induction plate for a few specific meals. But if you do a lot of cooktop cooking, sauces etc., you'll need a lot of electricity and a lot of heavy cookware.
__________________
John and Diane (RIP Lincoln, 21 FEB 22) RVM103 NHSO
Fulltimers since June, 2012
2002 Dutch Star 40, Freightliner, Cat 3126, 2004 Element
|
|
|
08-23-2013, 08:37 PM
|
#7
|
Senior Member
Newmar Owners Club Freightliner Owners Club
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Today? Clayton, North Carolina
Posts: 5,093
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by FlyingDiver
......The question is why is Newmar still putting in less efficient radiant electric cooktops instead of induction ones........
Honestly, IMO they're just too conservative and it takes them longer to go to something new, even if it's better. Witness their lack of integration of the coach systems with personal wireless devices, for the high end coaches. The integration they've got for the KGDB is pitiful, for a coach that lists at almost $1M.
|
Reference the other thread in this section, "Dutch Stars -- How Many?" I think Newmar is the reliable producer it is precisely because they are conservative about changing the overall recipe. Bling will sell, no doubt, but two year old bling that's out of fashion, technically obsolete, or broken will hurt your reputation, and that's far more costly than not having the bling in the first place. IMHO.
__________________
John and Diane (RIP Lincoln, 21 FEB 22) RVM103 NHSO
Fulltimers since June, 2012
2002 Dutch Star 40, Freightliner, Cat 3126, 2004 Element
|
|
|
08-23-2013, 08:46 PM
|
#8
|
Senior Member
Newmar Owners Club
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Somewhere....
Posts: 4,054
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by JFXG
The other side of induction is that your selection of cookware is limited. It must be ferrous metal. AL and SS won't fly. [note: we tried the steel disk "adaptor" you can buy, but found that it loses so much efficiency it renders the whole induction concept pointless.] Based on our search, that means cheap steel or cast iron. We have a couple of the latter that we use on our single portable 10" induction plate for a few specific meals. But if you do a lot of cooktop cooking, sauces etc., you'll need a lot of electricity and a lot of heavy cookware.
|
Actually, a lot of SS cookware works fine, as long as it's not the really thin cheap stuff. We most have All-Clad stainless, plus a La Creuset enameled cast iron dutch oven and several Ozeri ceramic surface non-stick pans. Definitely NOT cheap stuff. All work well on induction. I did have to give away an aluminum crepe pan that didn't work. My SIL appreciated it, though.
__________________
2008 King Aire 4562, Spartan K3(GT) w/ Cummins ISX 600
2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee Overland 5.7L V8 Hemi w/ Blue Ox Aventa LX Tow Bar and baseplate, SMI Air Force One brake
|
|
|
08-23-2013, 08:48 PM
|
#9
|
Senior Member
Newmar Owners Club
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Somewhere....
Posts: 4,054
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by JFXG
Reference the other thread in this section, "Dutch Stars -- How Many?" I think Newmar is the reliable producer it is precisely because they are conservative about changing the overall recipe. Bling will sell, no doubt, but two year old bling that's out of fashion, technically obsolete, or broken will hurt your reputation, and that's far more costly than not having the bling in the first place. IMHO.
|
I wouldn't refer to induction cooktops in place of radiant electric cooktops as "bling". It's more efficient, faster, and safer.
__________________
2008 King Aire 4562, Spartan K3(GT) w/ Cummins ISX 600
2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee Overland 5.7L V8 Hemi w/ Blue Ox Aventa LX Tow Bar and baseplate, SMI Air Force One brake
|
|
|
08-23-2013, 09:08 PM
|
#10
|
Senior Member
Winnebago Owners Club iRV2 No Limits Club
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 713
|
Could be you need to use up what you have before you get to put the newer stuff in. For example how long were the HD TVs out before they became standard/ Just a thought.
Don G.
|
|
|
08-23-2013, 10:33 PM
|
#11
|
Senior Member
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Denton, TX, 76207
Posts: 2,160
|
We is cookware similar to FlyingD without problems on an induction cooktop. We did, however, need to replace our scanpan frying pans with compatible one's from scanpan (I like their frying pans lol).
Only difficulty I have had is when you try and flip or toss something in the frypan, the induction cooktop goes nuts as you lift the pan clear of the burner, oh well small price to pay :-)
__________________
Steve Pinn
2008 Newmar Essex-4514
2009 Honda CRV
|
|
|
08-24-2013, 06:49 AM
|
#12
|
Senior Member
Newmar Owners Club Freightliner Owners Club
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Today? Clayton, North Carolina
Posts: 5,093
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by FlyingDiver
I wouldn't refer to induction cooktops in place of radiant electric cooktops as "bling". It's more efficient, faster, and safer.
|
My error..... my reference quote included too much. I was referring to the wireless integration. Cool, convenient, and non-essential.
__________________
John and Diane (RIP Lincoln, 21 FEB 22) RVM103 NHSO
Fulltimers since June, 2012
2002 Dutch Star 40, Freightliner, Cat 3126, 2004 Element
|
|
|
08-24-2013, 07:17 AM
|
#13
|
Senior Member
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: SWFL
Posts: 457
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by JFXG
My error..... my reference quote included too much. I was referring to the wireless integration. Cool, convenient, and non-essential.
|
Agree for most coaches, but not in a coach that Newmar is trying to market to the Prevost crowd.
“One of our approaches with the King Aire is to actually take business away from the bus conversion manufacturers,” said Miller. “It has a bus look, but it’s half the price. We have provided a better drive with Comfort Drive. With its axles and suspension, it’s a better ride than bus conversions. And when you look at the inside and everything that’s on the unit, it’s a tremendous value.”
Sue
__________________
2019 Advanced-RV
|
|
|
08-24-2013, 08:37 AM
|
#14
|
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2013
Posts: 786
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by saydiver
Agree for most coaches, but not in a coach that Newmar is trying to market to the Prevost crowd.
“One of our approaches with the King Aire is to actually take business away from the bus conversion manufacturers,” said Miller. “It has a bus look, but it’s half the price. We have provided a better drive with Comfort Drive. With its axles and suspension, it’s a better ride than bus conversions. And when you look at the inside and everything that’s on the unit, it’s a tremendous value.”
Sue
|
There has been no doubt that the King Aire has been positioned as the "poor mans Prevost" for a while now and it's not by accident that the KA stands a couple of inches taller than both the Prevost and Newell. We're always polite to the bus conversion folks though, I always make it a point to smile and wave as I zoom past them on long up hill grades out here in the west
__________________
2013 Polaris RZR 4/900
Location: Colorado
|
|
|
|
|
Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
|
|
Thread Tools |
Search this Thread |
|
|
Display Modes |
Linear Mode
|
Posting Rules
|
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is Off
|
|
|
|
» Recent Discussions |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|