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Old 08-23-2013, 07:07 PM   #1
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Why No Induction Cooktop Option

Just realized Newmar doesn't offer induction cooktops in their all electric option. Does anyone know why?
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Good question. We're having them retro-fit one in ours next month. I expect you could get one as a special if you were ordering a new unit.
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It IS good question, no doubt about it. We actually have seen induction cooktops in some of the units at the factory so there must be availability as a special item as suggested.

So many of these things we see on the cutting edge end up being standards that many people want. It would surprise me if induction is not one of those things and is more and more readily available on stock units.

Induction is one of the best for an all electric coach application for sure.

Glad you posted on this.

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A decent high quality induction stove-top would require a dedicated 240 VAC power line for it to run efficiently and that would be for a double cook-top.

You can find a decent portable single induction cook top for a lot less money and power, only one 120 VAC line needed.

With the built-in unit you would need to have some sort of EMS device to monitor your total 100 amp usage when using 50 amp RV service. Then if you happen to be on a 30 amp pedestal, well GOOD LUCK with that.

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A decent high quality induction stove-top would require a dedicated 240 VAC power line for it to run efficiently and that would be for a double cook-top.

You can find a decent portable single induction cook top for a lot less money and power, only one 120 VAC line needed.

With the built-in unit you would need to have some sort of EMS device to monitor your total 100 amp usage when using 50 amp RV service. Then if you happen to be on a 30 amp pedestal, well GOOD LUCK with that.
There are double cooktops that only use 120VAC, they use a power-sharing system to limit total draw. We're getting on put in.

Many high end coaches (the ones that have enough batteries and inverter capacity to really be "all electric") have 240VAC, so that's not really an issue. They don't usually have 240VAC from the inverter, though. And they have the EMS as well.

But none of that is really the issue. All electric is all electric. Which means it HAS to have an electric cooktop. The question is why is Newmar still putting in less efficient radiant electric cooktops instead of induction ones.

Honestly, IMO they're just too conservative and it takes them longer to go to something new, even if it's better. Witness their lack of integration of the coach systems with personal wireless devices, for the high end coaches. The integration they've got for the KGDB is pitiful, for a coach that lists at almost $1M.
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The other side of induction is that your selection of cookware is limited. It must be ferrous metal. AL and SS won't fly. [note: we tried the steel disk "adaptor" you can buy, but found that it loses so much efficiency it renders the whole induction concept pointless.] Based on our search, that means cheap steel or cast iron. We have a couple of the latter that we use on our single portable 10" induction plate for a few specific meals. But if you do a lot of cooktop cooking, sauces etc., you'll need a lot of electricity and a lot of heavy cookware.
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......The question is why is Newmar still putting in less efficient radiant electric cooktops instead of induction ones........

Honestly, IMO they're just too conservative and it takes them longer to go to something new, even if it's better. Witness their lack of integration of the coach systems with personal wireless devices, for the high end coaches. The integration they've got for the KGDB is pitiful, for a coach that lists at almost $1M.
Reference the other thread in this section, "Dutch Stars -- How Many?" I think Newmar is the reliable producer it is precisely because they are conservative about changing the overall recipe. Bling will sell, no doubt, but two year old bling that's out of fashion, technically obsolete, or broken will hurt your reputation, and that's far more costly than not having the bling in the first place. IMHO.
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The other side of induction is that your selection of cookware is limited. It must be ferrous metal. AL and SS won't fly. [note: we tried the steel disk "adaptor" you can buy, but found that it loses so much efficiency it renders the whole induction concept pointless.] Based on our search, that means cheap steel or cast iron. We have a couple of the latter that we use on our single portable 10" induction plate for a few specific meals. But if you do a lot of cooktop cooking, sauces etc., you'll need a lot of electricity and a lot of heavy cookware.
Actually, a lot of SS cookware works fine, as long as it's not the really thin cheap stuff. We most have All-Clad stainless, plus a La Creuset enameled cast iron dutch oven and several Ozeri ceramic surface non-stick pans. Definitely NOT cheap stuff. All work well on induction. I did have to give away an aluminum crepe pan that didn't work. My SIL appreciated it, though.
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Reference the other thread in this section, "Dutch Stars -- How Many?" I think Newmar is the reliable producer it is precisely because they are conservative about changing the overall recipe. Bling will sell, no doubt, but two year old bling that's out of fashion, technically obsolete, or broken will hurt your reputation, and that's far more costly than not having the bling in the first place. IMHO.
I wouldn't refer to induction cooktops in place of radiant electric cooktops as "bling". It's more efficient, faster, and safer.
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Could be you need to use up what you have before you get to put the newer stuff in. For example how long were the HD TVs out before they became standard/ Just a thought.

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We is cookware similar to FlyingD without problems on an induction cooktop. We did, however, need to replace our scanpan frying pans with compatible one's from scanpan (I like their frying pans lol).

Only difficulty I have had is when you try and flip or toss something in the frypan, the induction cooktop goes nuts as you lift the pan clear of the burner, oh well small price to pay :-)
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I wouldn't refer to induction cooktops in place of radiant electric cooktops as "bling". It's more efficient, faster, and safer.
My error..... my reference quote included too much. I was referring to the wireless integration. Cool, convenient, and non-essential.
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My error..... my reference quote included too much. I was referring to the wireless integration. Cool, convenient, and non-essential.
Agree for most coaches, but not in a coach that Newmar is trying to market to the Prevost crowd.

“One of our approaches with the King Aire is to actually take business away from the bus conversion manufacturers,” said Miller. “It has a bus look, but it’s half the price. We have provided a better drive with Comfort Drive. With its axles and suspension, it’s a better ride than bus conversions. And when you look at the inside and everything that’s on the unit, it’s a tremendous value.”

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Agree for most coaches, but not in a coach that Newmar is trying to market to the Prevost crowd.

“One of our approaches with the King Aire is to actually take business away from the bus conversion manufacturers,” said Miller. “It has a bus look, but it’s half the price. We have provided a better drive with Comfort Drive. With its axles and suspension, it’s a better ride than bus conversions. And when you look at the inside and everything that’s on the unit, it’s a tremendous value.”

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There has been no doubt that the King Aire has been positioned as the "poor mans Prevost" for a while now and it's not by accident that the KA stands a couple of inches taller than both the Prevost and Newell. We're always polite to the bus conversion folks though, I always make it a point to smile and wave as I zoom past them on long up hill grades out here in the west
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