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Old 03-22-2005, 01:00 PM   #1
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Visited iRV2 for the first time today and we were happy to find Wingding's January 15, 2005 post "On the Verge of Buying 2005 FDQS.. Alpine". Boy can we relate!
We are in the process of making a decision on our first diesel pusher. We have done considerable research, lots of shopping and much soul searching. It's pretty much come down to a decision between Alpine and Beaver.
Does anyone have an opinion on how the 2005 Alpine FDQS stacks up against the 2005 Beaver Monterey?
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Old 03-22-2005, 01:00 PM   #2
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Visited iRV2 for the first time today and we were happy to find Wingding's January 15, 2005 post "On the Verge of Buying 2005 FDQS.. Alpine". Boy can we relate!
We are in the process of making a decision on our first diesel pusher. We have done considerable research, lots of shopping and much soul searching. It's pretty much come down to a decision between Alpine and Beaver.
Does anyone have an opinion on how the 2005 Alpine FDQS stacks up against the 2005 Beaver Monterey?
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Old 03-22-2005, 01:41 PM   #3
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You need to remember that most major components used to build a RV are made by 3rd party vendors. The RV manufacturer generally builds the chassis and the box fastened to it. then adds the components. My descision to purchase would be: 1 inspect the chassis first, It's like a foundation on a house. 2. Reputation of the manufacture to stand behind product 3.features you want. 4. Drive both units.
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Old 03-22-2005, 02:42 PM   #4
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We looked at both and the 36ft Alpine Coach significantly outscored the Beaver Monterey on the RV Consumer Group rating system (RV.org) - particularly on highway handling.

Did you get use the RV Consumer Group information to help evaluate coaches? We highly recommend it.

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Welcome Warm heart Cold Feet. Glad you found us to ask your questions. Where are you from? Check out the National Rally in Lancaster, PA in JUne. Hope you find a good MH
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Old 03-22-2005, 04:24 PM   #6
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We are from Oregon. Just visited the Beaver factory in Bend last Friday. Hope to visit Yakima factory to see Alpine soon!
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Old 03-22-2005, 06:36 PM   #7
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I haven't looked at the Montereys in about 3 years but at that time an Alpine more closely competed with a Patriot. Not quite as high end as a Patriot, but closer to it than to a Monterey. There was no comparison in the way they drove...Alpine wins hands down. Alpine handles more like a van than a large, flat sided motorhome. Hardly notice side winds...not so in the Monterey. Maybe Monterey has improved handling since then. Good luck on your decision.
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Old 03-23-2005, 05:47 AM   #8
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Welcome to the forum

You are in a unique position because you are close to both factories. Now that you've seen the Beaver factory I'd definitely go see the Alpine factory. That should give you a pretty good perspective on how they build their coaches.

Alpine is somewhat unique in that they produce their own chassis as well as the coach. They have a reputation for being the best handling coach around. I think if you visit both factories and compare both coaches after test drives in each of them you'll probably form some opinions that will help direct you one way or the other.
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Old 03-23-2005, 08:43 AM   #9
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Hello and Welcome Warm Heart - Cold Feet:

Here is my $0.02 I think everyone is right and you should tour both factories, test drive both coaches and compare the floor plans. Remember you are the ones that must drive it, live in it and pay for it, so choose what you want. I like the way the Alpine handles and the way it was assembled. My wife liked the bathroom/shower; I also liked the large fresh water and large holding tanks, so we choose the 38 ft, with a booth dinette because we were also going to live/travel in it. We have not regretted our decision.

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Old 03-23-2005, 09:13 AM   #10
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We've got a diesel puller now & are in the same game- looking for a new pusher. I give Beaver higher marks for coachwork overall; I think the quality of workmanship, and oddly utilitarian design, is better overall in the Beaver. The Alpine countertops don't impress me, or that the sinks are just glued on; Beaver's cabinets are sweeter looking. As to the decor, you be the judge; seems to me both put way more effort into trendy glitz than makes good sense; stuff that's outmoded in a few years is a waste of money IMO.

However, I'm down to Country Coach's Inspire model vs. the Apline. Similar coachwork quality (both good to great, depending on the specific detail, but miles better than National RV, Newmar, Fleetwood... at same price points). The real meaty difference is in the chassis, which is the home's foundation. We use our coach on roads and conditions that are sub-par, and I want to adapt our purchase to that. CC's Dynamax chassis is dyno-tested before building the coach on; Alpine's is not, which I think is an important quality assurance device. Alpine has 4-wheel disc, CC does not, and I can check disc brakes anytime. Alpine uses rail & outrigger (not as space-efficient) & CC uses a space frame (smaller rail elements, but support added by structural bottom tubing below the basement). Alpine is high-strength bolted, while CC is welded; I find that equivalent (I do structural engineering). CC has independent front, Alpine does not (though the reps say they could have used any front suspension & chose I-beam deliberately); the truth here is in the ride, and I've driven both and find both to be seriously better than Freightliner, Spartan... who mass produce lotsa chassis's. I like Alpine's wheelbase/rear overhang and CC's electrical system better (Alpind doesn't have the Powerline management system for low-amp hookups).

I had a pusher service specialist make up his dream-coach chassis spec list. He does independent service on the likes of Newell & reports design issues to the manufacturers (Newell changed a steering design thing as a result). Pat preferred:
1) front wheel oilcaps, not grease packing
2) independent front air suspension
3) Bilstein gas shocks
4) aluminum wheels, Alcoa or Accuride
5) Pac-brake, Jacobs or BD
6) long wheel base (less rear overhang)
7) diesel gen
8) HWH 4-point leveling w/Raise override (not 3 point)
9) Allison 6 speed
10) 100 gallon fuel +
11) backup camera w/its own screen
12) 7-prong trailer light plug
13) min. 4 battery house pack, true deep cycle
14) optional rear axle ratio
15) rear suspension- Panhard rod, sway bar, or torque bar w/2 leveling devices
16) 50 amp service
17) air brakes not hydraulic
18) house batt to start batt switch-over charger
19) engine air intake high on the body (minimizes intake of rocks & dust!)
20) solar panel charger for start batt
21) 300 hp +
22) radial tires, 5 ply tread, 1 ply walls
23) electronic engine & trans controls incl. electronic cruise (not mechanically actuated)
24) dual wheel valve stem stabilizers (grommets)
25) 2000 watt + inverter
26) ABS w/self-adjusting slack adjusters
27) hanging rear mudflap (not fixed mount which deflects more rocks into engine area to knick belts)
28) disc brake front, drum rear
29) side radiator
Alpine stacks up pretty well on that wish list, as does CC. You can check the Beaver specs.
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Old 03-25-2005, 06:57 PM   #11
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I purchased my Alpine from the original owner who was also trying to decide between Alpine and Beaver for his next coach. He ended up choosing Beaver. I asked him how he felt about his decision and he said he loved the fit and finish of Beaver much better than Alpine but hated the ride. Alpine was much superior down the road. Email me if you're interested in contacting him and I will give you his email.
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Old 03-30-2005, 07:29 PM   #12
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Kaddywampus,
I am in the same situation. I am going for a second drive of the Monterey tommorow and have driven the Alpine one. I really love that Alpine ride but the interior and quality of the Monterey was equally as superior. One is superior in ride but t
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Sorry, my story was cut short. Lets try it again.

Today I took a ride again in both the alpine and the Monterey.
It is a very windy day and excellent conditions to perform a road test with side winds.
I really had to work a little at driving the monterey through the worse part of it.Both were good 70 mile trips on the same course.The Alpine actually had the stiffest test as I could see up ahead a "little twister" ..Two tumble weeds come flying across the road and I got broadside by a "whirlwind" that was quite a force. The Alpine did move over a few feet but half might have just been me seeing it coming and bracing for it. The Alpine just seems so much more comfortable Sometimes I just had to look back to make sure it is a 40 foot Rv and not a van.................
And the Monterey was made to live in.So comfortable....
THis is difficult. What is one to do.........???

The Alpine has 178 combined grey/black. Which is substancially more than Monterey 116.
I measured up the 4 slides on each and found that Monterey gives much more square footage to the front living/kitchen and less to the bedroom.In reverse to Alpine.{Larger bedroom area and smaller living room/kitchen.}
But the monterey is simple better crafted in almost all interior components and arranged to give it more of a "ranch house" feeling.

What motorhome can give you both the drive of a Alpine and a Monterey quality interior floorplan and furnishings?
That is the question???????
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Old 03-31-2005, 05:15 PM   #14
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Hello Wingding:

Sorry to hear about your dilemma. The only way you are going to get the ride and handling of an Alpine and the interior of a Monterey is to purchase the Alpine and have the interior custom made. I sure that is not what you wanted to hear. I wish the answer were simple, but it is not. I would tell you which one to purchase but since I like and own an Alpine, it would be a bias answer. When Donna and I were looking for a MH I went for ride and handling over the interior because when Donna or I am are pushing over 30,000 lbs down the road I wanted to be in the safest handling vehicle around. For me the answer was easy, and I have not regarded my decision. I wish your quest was as easy as mine.

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