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Old 06-30-2007, 06:49 AM   #1
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Old 06-30-2007, 06:49 AM   #2
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Old 06-30-2007, 07:36 AM   #3
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Any information provided MUST include:
a) Model year
b) Model
c) VIN
d) Miles on vehicle
e) Pedal type (hanging, adjustable, through-the-floor, etc.)
f) Perceived problem/issue
g) Type of driving (city, mountainous, flat, etc.).
h) Indicate if pulling a Toad by % of time.
i) A subjective grade (1 through 10, 10 being best) of the Braking system.

When responding, please provide your input referencing the item letters above.

Only by doing this thoroughly can we hope to establish base-line comparisons, possible analyses of system(s) and/or identification of real problems.

I know some of you will consider this measure a pain in the patoot. However, unless we can develop meaningful information, unsupported, individual complaints to WRV can only be ignored as superficial.

Having experience with "Product Liability" for over more than just a few years, I would treat personal impressions in exactly the same manner.

Let's be fair to them and all participating in these Forums.

Once there has been enough information gathered to develop a base-line analyses, I will formulate a cognitive TSP (Title, Scope and Purpose) that can be provided to WRV for resolution.

Please note that I will publish the document on this Forum for review by all before it is approved for submission to WRV.
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Old 06-30-2007, 08:32 AM   #4
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Model: '06 FDDS
Toad Brakes: U.S. Gear Unified Tow Brakes
Toad Vehicle: '03 GMC Envoy - 5000#
Problem Conditions: Descending hill to full stop
Mode of Operation: Use 'Hi' engine brake when exiting highway.

Opinion of Problem: Additional power needed.

Had to chuckle at expression 'pulled out steering wheel to stop'. Because I think that is what I did.!!!!!
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Old 06-30-2007, 03:05 PM   #5
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Model: '03 40FDTS #74761
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Thru the floor pedals
problem is way too much foot pressure needed and even then the brakes do not feel strong
Tyep of driving is city, highway, mountains
Subjective grade is about a 4.
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Old 06-30-2007, 07:57 PM   #6
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Here's my information on this subject:

[quote]Any information provided MUST include:

a) Model year -- 2006
b) Model -- 36 MDDS
c) VIN -- 75561
d) Miles on vehicle -- 17,600
e) Pedal type (hanging, adjustable, through-the-floor, etc.) -- hanging, adjustable
f) Perceived problem/issue -- no major problems -- I do use either low or hi engine brake exiting freeway to make the stops faster, but that's one of the things the engine brake is designed to do. And I shift into neutral for long stops at stop lights or when holding the coach still on a downhill incline, which would be expected with the amount of engine torque available. But I find the brakes to work well overall.
g) Type of driving (city, mountainous, flat, etc.). About 80% mountainous in the west, and some flatter ground in the southwest/Texas area.
h) A subjective grade (1 through 10, 10 being best) of the Braking system. Overall grade would be a "9". I think they're good brakes and don't seem to have the problems some people on this forum are complaining about. In fact, I have a really hard time relating to the reported brake problems.
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Old 06-30-2007, 09:28 PM   #7
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a) Model year: 2006
b) Model: 34FDDS
c) VIN: 75544
d) Mileage: 12,500
e) Pedal Type: Hanging, adjustable
f) Perceived Problems: No real problems at all. I use the Jake brake a lot. I did adjust the pedals a while back, and did notice that less pressure was needed to brake (I think I brought the pedal out closer to the seat). I live on a steep hill so I get a lot of downhill braking, which I don't feel is unduly difficult with this coach.
g) Type of driving: I don't drive freeways usually, so I drive a lot more mountains/hills. I'm so used to using the Jake brake, that I seldom use the foot pedal even on serious mountain passes. I've never had a panic stop, as such, with this coach, but it has responded well when I have leaned on the brakes a couple of times. All my miles are with a Colorado PU toad, usually loaded with more stuff, and weighing around 4.500 lbs.
h) Subjective grade: 9
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All good information and has been entered on the spreadsheet.
When I made the list, I OOOPS'd and did not include Toad data (which is now (h)).
Please review the edited post and if you haven't already, please add any Toad information (like Terry did).
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Adding to (h), most of the time I am towing my 06 Toyota 4Runner that weighs 4450 lbs with all the stuff I usually have in it. Occasionally I tow a 2002 VW Beetle that weighs 2900 lbs, but I don't notice a significant difference in braking when I tow the Beetle.
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Old 07-01-2007, 08:06 AM   #10
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a) Model year: 2005
b) Model: 34FDDS
c) VIN: 75338
d) Mileage: 11240
e) Pedal type: adjustable hanging
f) Perceived problems: very hard pedal pressure, hard to hold at a stop light,etc. Not secure at all with a panic stop. I use the Jake brake a great deal
g) Type of driving: Majority is on open highway, freeways & tpks.
h) pull a toad 95% of the time: PT CRuiser
i) Subjective grade: 4
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All information provided to date/time has been entered to the data sheet.

Lundy, Care to offer a subjective grade and more information per the request?
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a) Model year: 2001
b) Model: 40FDS
c) VIN: 74270
d) Miles on vehicle: 107,347
e) Pedal type: through-the-floor
f) Perceived problem/issue: no major problem
g) Type of driving: city, mountainous, flat
h) Indicate if pulling a Toad by % of time. 95% of time pulling a 2003 Tacoma pickup
i) A subjective grade (1 through 10, 10 being best) of the Braking system. Overall grade would be a "9". The motor home is still using the orginal pads and rotors.



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Old 07-01-2007, 09:57 AM   #13
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Subjective grade: Overall - 5

Ease of use (pedal pressure) 3
Fade concerns - 8

Increasing power boost would probably take it to 8 or 9.

note: I had a 2000 36FDS for 6 years w/o any braking issues. TMI?
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A] 2005
B] 34' Limited, two slides [only 3 sets of hyd. lines]
C] 75357
D] 17,000 miles
E] adjustable brake pedal
F] Excessive pedal pressure and fears the brakes are not adequate
G] All types of driving
H] Towing 4,000 lbs 90 % of the time
I] 4

Braking solo,not towing is no better.



I use the Jake Brake all the time out of necessity.



We really feel cheated.The test drives we had sold us but the one they sold us does not compare.
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