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Old 01-07-2014, 01:19 PM   #1
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Briefing from Coach Care on our Coach for those who are interested

First and foremost: "The coach is in great shape".
  • The crank seal is leaking, the'll fix that.
  • The brake fluid is like honey. They'll check the lines for chafing.
  • The coolant pH is good but the range is off.
  • The radiator is made of copper & steel, not aluminum.
  • The differential and hub fluids look good and smells good.
  • The tranny fluid is synthetic and is good but recommend changing it for a good baseline maintenance start.
  • The ISL 400 (46532726) falls outside the range for the wrist pin issue
  • They'll service the engine and generator
They enrolled us in their club which will save us some money.
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Old 01-07-2014, 04:18 PM   #2
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Additional items found:
  • The right front Bilstein shock was blown
  • They'd like to do the air dryer kit replacement
  • They found moisture on the forward side of the radiator and tightened a suspet hose. If they find more moisture, they say that we have bolt on tanks which can be tightened.
Looking at pretty close to 50 bucks shy of 3K for our first out of pocket expense post purchase.
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Old 01-07-2014, 07:32 PM   #3
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Brake fluid needs changing. You may want to consider the 1.75" master cylinder swap when doing that. Remeber to quiz whoever does it on how many bleed screws they opened to bleed all 4 calipers (correct answer is 8, 2/caliper) and if they give you a phoney excuse why only 4 is OK, make them do it over to get all 8 cuz 4 isn't enough.

You have an after market radiator (not an issue, just stating; the OEM units & the OEM replacements were welded aluminum).
Might want to consider King shocks on front; Bilsteins will feel good starting off but will be shot IMHO in ~10k. Koni's seem to last well using the recommended part# (search here on both types of shocks) but will not be as satisfying as Kings.
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Old 01-07-2014, 08:25 PM   #4
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I hope it isn't too late to make those change orders in the AM. Thanks.
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The shocks will have a money consequence FYI. The King shocks are ~$400 each ($800 for the front end), Koni's about $160 last time I checked ($320).
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Old 01-07-2014, 08:58 PM   #6
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After some research, I think we'll stick with the one Bilstein for the present. Check the last posting on this page for some useful points to ponder, vis a vis RoadKing:

Road King Shock Absorbers - Type A motorhomes - FMCA Motorhome Forums
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Brake fluid needs changing. You may want to consider the 1.75" master cylinder swap when doing that. Remeber to quiz whoever does it on how many bleed screws they opened to bleed all 4 calipers (correct answer is 8, 2/caliper) and if they give you a phoney excuse why only 4 is OK, make them do it over to get all 8 cuz 4 isn't enough.
What chassis are you talking about in the above quote? I have the large W25.5 Workhorse and not too many were manufactured. I have been told my large calipers have two bleed screws each. Thanks for any clarification.
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George R.,
Alpine Coaches are all built on the same chasis; the Peak Chasis. This was a propitary chasis designed and built for and by Western Recreational Vehicles.
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George- you have the same brake calipers we do on later model Alpines w/4 pistons & 2 bleed screws per caliper, one screw per pair of pistons; not sure which master cylinder you've got. MC's are graduated in mm on the casting, 50.80 = 2", 45.45 = 1.75". The 1.75 will give about 31% increase in braking response by my calculations over the 2", and many 2004+ Alpiners complained about the amount of braking power, hence the swap by some (me included) from the OEM's selected 2" to an aftermarket 1.75".

Regardless of the MC size, "honey" in the brake likes = ungood.
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Does the 2006 Apex need the steering bracket upgrade?
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Algoma: The upgrade was completed by the dealer. Pics here: Steering Bracket Total Replacement
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I remember that now. Didn't realize it had just been fitted to your coach.
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FYI - Do the following things to the coach.

1. Change and flush the brake system, making sure the rear wheels are removed and both calipers are flushed. This is something that needs to be done at least every other year for safety, yours first and everyone else second.

2. The crank seal failed on mine fixed under Cummins warranty, yours is out of warranty, but see if there is a "good faith fix" talk to the local supervisor to see if they will do it for you.

3. The coolant should be changed every three years, use ES Complete Coolant for the change, make sure you do the generator at the same time, with a new radiator cap for both systems.

4. Depending on mileage and years, the synthetic fluid in the tyranny does not wear out over time as bad as mileage. Check the Allison web site for the recommended change intervals, however, doing just a filter change, and the necessary new fluid to bring it back up to full is enough for the service requirement to be met. There is no reason to do a complete fluid change unless you suspect internal damage. An Allison dealer will take a sample and compare it against the Serial Number if it's in their database for the baseline, then you will know what it's status is.

5. Replace both front shocks, don't just do one.

6. When they service the engine, make sure they also change the fuel filters on it, as well as well as the fuel filter on the genset. Make a note of the date and hours on the genset, do it again after 150 hours of use or every other year. Run the genset each month for 2 hours as this keeps the copper contacts clean, and exercises all the internal parts.

7. Agree on the air dryer, watch how it's done, then you can do it.

8. Have them change and put in new filters for the hydraulic system, large canister at the right rear of the coach, in the rear access area. It's messy, watch how it's done, so you can do it the next time. The recommended refill fluid is Chevron fluid, the type/number escapes me now, do a search here for it.

8. Do a search here for electrical issues, generator electrical issues, transfer switch electrical issues, fix them or have them checked out.
Hope the above helps. Welcome to the club.
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Janet and Todd,
You may want to read the Onan manual instead of following item 6.
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