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Janet and Todd · 12-21-2013, 10:30 PM

Hello Alpiners, Janet's other half here. Why do you suppose this happens? The new Xantrex was installed. It works, charging the batteries and running the appliances but when you connect the data cable to the Silverleaf system it causes the engine to die within 30 seconds. I'm figuring that a Silverleaf setting has to be changed. The tech "rebooted" the system twice to no avail. We're heading to Albany on Monday to have the Silverleaf tech have a look. Thanks for any insights.

EngineerMike · 12-22-2013, 12:17 AM

The Silverleaf was programmed for the Xantrex RS2000, which I believe is no longer made. What model did they install?

While there, have SL check out your system & sensors to make sure all is current.

BTW- Congrats on the new to you Apex! !!!

Janet and Todd · 12-23-2013, 09:45 PM

Update: Silverleaf is moving two doors down at present so they were unable to help most likely until after Jan 1. On talking with "Mike" at Silverleaf, he postulated that there is some crosstalk between the inverter and the engine that caused the engine to freak out and shut down. Freak out must be a technical term. I've heard it used by Fire Alarm panel techs too.

Janet and Todd · 01-04-2014, 09:16 AM

I spoke to the dealer last night. They took the coach to Silverleaf yesterday but the guys at Silverleaf were unable to figure out why connecting the data cable from the new Xantrex to the system causes the Cummins to stop running. The Xantrex guru is in Indio at present (most likely at FMCA) so we'll just have to wait till he returns.

The dealer's tech thinks they should add a remote panel up in the house somewhere and leave it disconnected from the Silverleaf to solve the problem. Not the optimum resolution to my mind.

kraig · 01-04-2014, 11:39 PM

On the Apex,the only way you can start the generator is from the inside with the Silverleaf. You can start it on the outside on the generator. On my Apex,I changed the inverter to Magnum Energy ME3112. Silverleaf could not program it to the Silverleaf. I put in a remote Start with water temp and oil pressure inside the bathroom cabinet. That was Onan generator part. All you really need is just a start/stop switch. I can add an Auto gen start.

IN my opinion and probably your least cost and headaches is to install a remote start like you mentioned above.

Janet and Todd · 01-05-2014, 08:49 AM

Kraig,

The generator is not affected. It is the main ISL 400 that shuts down when the Xantrex is connected to the network via the data cable. The tech wants to install a remote Xantrex panel in the hallway to solve the problem. Is your Magnum connected to the network? Is that what caused your generator to quit working via the Silverleaf network?

Janet and Todd · 01-06-2014, 01:37 PM

I spoke with Cory at Silverleaf. Cory said that the issue they encountered was that when the inverter is connected, it was causing the Vansco box in the battery compartment to reset over and over. They determined that the Vansco needs to be moved to the J-1939 bus where it should have been when it was built and that will solve the problem. Cory said that Dale, their tech that can do the work is in Indio but will be back on January 16th. I am fine with waiting till Dale returns so we can talk about the work. The other option was to remove the Xantrex and install a Magnum but it sounds easier to put the Vansco on the proper bus than to swap out inverters.

Cory also said that with a remote inverter panel install as a solution, we wouldn't be able to use the auto gen start feature. I would rather have this feature than not.

EngineerMike · 01-06-2014, 08:56 PM

I believe Cory will find that the Vansco modules are on the J1939 buss via a twisted pair buss connection consisting of a bright yellow & bright green wire pair with 120 ohms between them. That ruins from the rear Vansco to the front with a coupla splices along the way for the engine & stuff. A close inspection should show the twisted pair by their colors.
Not sure how that affects the explanation you are getting from SL.

terry735001 · 01-06-2014, 09:31 PM

keep in mind that a lower end MD inverter play games on ECM and TCM

it can make a humm on the J1939 buss

xantrex makes really good inverters and i have one as well but they have a few that are lower end MD

i am not sure if you have one like this

8.1l/allison are bad for this even some of the 12v dc converter well do this as well

i just added this as a note and know this may not be whats going on in your system

kraig · 01-07-2014, 12:24 AM

Janet,

My generator did not stop working. It is just that Silverleaf could not interface with my Magnum inverter. For about $250 I can add an Auto gen start that simply plugs into the inverter. I just have my own seperate system for the inverter.

Janet and Todd · 01-07-2014, 09:16 AM

You lost me at "lower end MD". Google didn't help. Can you amplify on this please?

Janet and Todd · 01-07-2014, 11:50 AM

OK, the Xantrex is model number SW 2012. Our tech called Xantrex in Canada and told that the SW 2012 is the replacement for the RS200 which is no longer made or supported. Is this a "lower end MD"?

Janet and Todd · 01-08-2014, 03:03 AM

Hello Friends,

Doing a little research in the Xantrex SW 2012 manual and found this useful piece of information on page 39:

CAUTION
Equipment Damage

Connect the Freedom SW only to other Xanbus compatible devices.
Although the cabling and connectors used in this network system are the
same as Ethernet connectors,

this network is not an Ethernet system.
Equipment damage may result from attempting to connect two different
systems. Do not attach the Freedom SW On/Off switch to these ports.

Failure to follow these instructions can damage the unit and/or
damage other equipment.

So, the question becomes: Is Silverleaf a Xanbus compatible system? Is Silverleaf and Ethernet system?

bcbowers · 01-08-2014, 07:42 AM

Janet, take a look at my thread "New SCP Wiring" to see the issues I'm going through with having changed my old Xantrex 458 Combi Inverter/Charger with the SW2012. The old 458 had an SCP control panel and used "Xanbus" supposedly. However, Xantrex has changed the Xanbus network specification and the old panel (& wiring) no longer works. The new Xanbus network appears to have been introduced with the RS2000 Inverter/Charger.

I'm guessing that the Silverleaf system was compatible with the old Xanbus connection and doesn't like the new Xanbus connection. Clearly, the data transmitted would be significantly different and appear as "noise" to Silverleaf. However, I know little about the Silverleaf system that came with newer coaches. Good luck!