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Old 03-29-2010, 08:09 PM   #1
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Question Cost of having the Hydraulic fluid changed

I am looking to get a rough idea of the cost of having the Hydraulic fluid and filters changed.What type of replacement fluid,how manny gallons.Also the trans fluid,(transyend)
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Old 03-29-2010, 08:22 PM   #2
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I have at least a credible claim of having paid the highest price known to man for changing hydraulic fluid. After making darn sure the shop knew the difference between the cheap Rando and the expensive stuff, they ordered a 55 gallon drum to change my oil and that of one other Alpiner w/an 05 (we made appointments same day). They drained all fluid except what was in the spin-on filter, reconnected hoses, filled w/$17.50/gal Rando (I checked the drum to see it was the Premium HDZ), then they ran the engine, then emptied the system & refilled w/fresh HDZ including changing the filter. Total cost- $650 including 3 hours shop time, filter, and enough fluid to run 3 other Alpines (my reservoir is apparently larger than the earlier cylindrical type, so it takes near 10 gallons total w/the filter).

BTW the 08+ hydraulic spin-on filter has a NAPA 1860 equivalent for the Parker OEM unit.
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Old 03-31-2010, 01:22 AM   #3
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Hello Ray:

Your 1999 Alpine takes 3 gallons of Dexron III Transmission Fluid in the reservoir for the Hydraulic Fluid. The reservoir also holds three Nelson 84220-A filters. You can purchase the filters and a gasket from Cummins Northwest, 1905 E. Central Avenue, Yakima, WA 98909-0129, (800) 777-0336. I paid less than $10.00 per filter and I had a hard time finding them here in Southern Calif. I did find that NAPA was able to cross reference them to another filter but they wanted $75.00 per filter so I had Cummins Northwest send them to me and I saved a few dollars.

The Allison Transmission with Filters holds 4 Gallons of fluid when changed and if you switch to Transend or other synthetic fluid you will need to changed it a second time in a couple of years with synthetic fluid for it to be considered 100% synthetic fluid. The cost of Transend will depend on where you purchase it as I have seen it from $32.00 per gallon to over $60.00 per gallon. So the cost will depend on where you take it.
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Mike,
Yes, you may indeed have set a record for the most expensive hydraulic change known to man, but I’ll bet I run a close second in price and frustration. The San Diego shop, RV Specialists, was able to run my hydraulic fluid change bill up to $607.44 and never did use the correct Rando. I specifically, in writing, ordered the Premium HDZ; it didn’t happen. When I paid the bill, another story in itself, I noticed that they didn’t use the HDZ. I asked, “Why not?” The answer was I hadn’t asked for it. I produced my written request. Oops, “Guess you did, we’ll get the right stuff.” The right stuff couldn’t be found and I wasn’t so sure, after a test drive, that I even wanted the Rando of any type. The bottom line was that they put the Valvoline Blue back in. I did see the invoice for the incorrect Rando, $55.00 for each of two five gallon pails. I was then charged $113.72 each. Early on in this maintenance visit I was quoted a 28% markup on all parts and supplies. So at my request, as I mentioned, the Valvoline Blue went back in. The result was 10 gallons of Valvoline Blue for $227.44. Shall I say I learned an expensive lesson?

On the subject of expensive lessons learned from Mark Cooley, co-owner, of RV Specialists, I believe I share the record, along with another San Diego Alpine owner, for having the world’s most expensive coolant radiator change. Would you believe $8000.00 for a Mac’s radiator that lists for $2800? I’m in the process of seeking adjustments of the pricing through the BBB, Good Sam, Motorhome magazine, FMCA and the California Department of Consumer Affairs because I have received no response from the repair shop. I might add that I also received a nice coat of paint overspray, just to add insult to injury. There was no charge for this additional service.

I would advise these words of caution to anyone thinking about doing business with this outfit. Go in with your eyes wide open, get a very detailed written estimate, and in general be very careful – if not, be prepared to write a very big check. Anyone wishing further information on this shop please feel free to send me a private mail; you will be answered.
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We have 2 MHs. I'm in the process of changing the hyd fluid and filters in both of them. One(38' Newmar) holds 3 gals and has a single $30 filter: NAPA#7317, or Wix#57317, or Nelson#87610A,

The other MH(42' Monaco) holds 12 gals and has a single $30 filter: NAPA#1759, or Wix#51759, or Fram#PH3567, or Fleetguard#HF6710, I siphon the old fluid out. I'm refilling both with Amsoil Synthetic 5-30w hyd tractor fluid @ $25/gal. If you want to save $$$, ATF works in the hyd system, and so does motor oil.

The Newmar has a MD3060 trans and took 4.5 gals of $30/gal Transynd to change and a $60 Allison filter kit. The Monaco has a HD4060 trans and took 7 gals of $30/gal Transynd and the same $60 filter kit. Both have 4"sumps.

It's easy enough to do yourself.

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Ray,

All of the discussions about changing the hydraulic fluid to Rando is confusing to early Alpine owners. The early coaches used ATF, this does not need a "full system" oil change, just the oil in the reservoir and filters changed, as Dave stated. Mike and Dick have the later coaches and needed all of the engine type oil flushed from the system and refilled with the Rando.
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Old 04-01-2010, 03:20 PM   #8
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Frankly I don't think the flush-&-rinse method is needed. Oils mix pretty well in most cases, and a small residual of motor oil would be inconsequential IMO. If I had been on my game I'd have told them to drain oil & replace filter, add Rando, run engine, top off Rando, then cut the invoice. But what's a few hundred bucks among friends?
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That is what I did and all is good, I just checked the fluid and it still looked fresh only 3000 miles on it. I will replace it again when I get north.
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Old 04-01-2010, 08:57 PM   #10
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I have had rycon in my system for three years now and replaced the filters and fluid every year. My real question is why this system needs fluid changing each year. The filter system is good and the system itself seems really benign. Seems to me that this is one area that should be able to go 3-4 year with out maintenance. Am I missing something here?
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Old 04-01-2010, 09:01 PM   #11
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Jerry- I don't think you need to change the hydraulic fluid except maybe every 4-5 years. Or maybe every two do a tank drain & refill like Dave suggests.
I changed to improve brake response over the motor oil fluid. Now I'm good for a while. I have the spin-on filter from the change but haven't cut it open for a look-see. I never did change on the 06 so I never saw one of the Nelson filters, but I assume you can inspect them easily when changing oil?
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The Nelsons always look clean as a whistle (whatever that means) when I change the fluid. That's the reason for my comment about going longer than 1 year for fluid change.
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The system with the Nelson filters is different than most, they flow from the inside of the filter, out. This is the system that all Alpines before the "smog engine" have. That is why they have the metal case around them. This makes them impossible to inspect without removal. The only time I found anything in them when changing was when my fan motor was grinding it self up.
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I am confused. I thought Alpines have air brakes. Do I need to look around for the hydraulic resevoir for the brake system? Every week I discover a new fluid and fiter that needs to be changed.
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