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Old 12-04-2013, 03:54 PM   #1
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Cummins ISL 400

I have a 04 Alpine & do not have a 04 Owners Manuel. Can anyone tell me
how many gallons of oil does it take to change oil and filter? I just changed the oil and filter with 7 gallons and it seems to be an l/8" over full
on the dip stick. Any information will be of help.

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Old 12-04-2013, 04:03 PM   #2
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This is off the Cummins web site Jim,

Cummins ISL and '03 ISL 370-400 HP


Engine Oil
  • Service (Pre '03): 18,000 miles or yearly
  • Service ('03 & Up): 20,000 miles or yearly
  • Oil Filter: Fleetguard LF-9009
  • Oil Type: SAE 15W40
  • Oil Capacity (Pre '03): 24 Quarts (US)
  • Oil Capacity ('03 & Up): 25 Quarts (US)
  • Oil Capacity ('03 & Up): (Composite Pan Stamped Steel) 24 Quarts (US)
Fuel Filter Type: Fleetguard
  • Service: Filter should be changed at every oil change.
  • Filter (Pre '03): FS-1022
  • Primary Filter ('03 & Up): FS-1003
  • Secondary Filter ('03 & Up): FF-5488
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Old 12-04-2013, 04:46 PM   #3
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My ISL holds 24 qts (6 gallons) with filter change.
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Old 12-04-2013, 05:28 PM   #4
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You can get the owners manual here.
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Old 12-04-2013, 05:43 PM   #5
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While the pan does indeed hold 24 qts... doesn't the oil filter hold 4 more? So a total of 28 ('03 and above).

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Old 12-05-2013, 11:16 PM   #6
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I believe the 9009 lube filter is 3 quarts, so 27 quarts total.
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I am of the opinion [aka--no facts] that many Cummins engines vary in the amount of oil they "prefer." Unarmed with the aforementioned information, I use to initially change/fill with 28 qrts. The end result was a slightly overfilled mark on the dip-stick but more imporatantly, a lot of "slobber" out the engine vent tube. For the last 10 or more years, I have operated the engine at around half way down the ops range on the dip stick and only refilled [about 2 qrts] to that level once the level reaches the bottom of the ops range on the stick. End result is little or no slobber.

Believe this same principle applies to the coolant reservoir--only check the sight glass level when the engine is at ops temp and the engine is running. Think it will save you a bunch of coolant.
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Unlike my old C engine I thought the ISL had a closed crankcase breather filter such that any bypass oil would be returned to the sump and does not get ejected via a slobber tube. I retrofitted my engine with a Racor breather filter and now I lose no oil via a slobber tube. Did I miss something?
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There are several different versions of the ISL on the road, my early 03 has a slobber tube, pretty sure the 05 Pegasus engines do too. Not sure about the 07s and newer with the "particle burners"..... I hear a lot of conversation about "capture/recovery" solutions that owners have added after-market to combat fluid loss--my suggestion is to simply look at fluid level management vs "post-drip" capture/recovery.
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My DPF engine has an exhaust gas recirc device attached to the valve cover like the Alien on the face of Sigourney Weaver's compadre. I don't get any blow-by evident. I don't know if it recirc's to the crankcase or to the intake.

At a gearhead session in Salem, before the factory went away, Cummins was asked about oil overfill. The rep said, "don't worry, your engine will get rid of it." Meaning crankcase overpressure would expel the excess oil one way or another. Seems like Scout's experience verifies the claim. But like Scout, I'm thinking a slight underfill would be better than an overfill; less unpleasant side effects.
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I don't think you want that overfill going through your turbo. That's were most breather tubes go to nowadays.
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I agree with Old Scout!s opinion to keep the oil level about mid way to the add oil mark. I get a lot less oil out the slobber tube when I keep the oil level less than full. When I have the oil changed I have them put in six gallons (24 quarts). Then I add one or two quarts as needed after I have driven the coach.
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Crankcase Ventilation Filter

I installed an open filter which means that after the filter separates the oil from the blowby the gasses vent to open air. On the closed filters that gas is returned to the air intake. As the oil has been removed no oil gets to the turbine. The oil removed by the filter returns to the crankcase.
The hose on the left is from the top of the head cover and the right one is the gas exhaust. Not shown is a hose from the bottom that has the oil drain.
More details of these filters here.
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That's what I call sexy. Nice add on.
what did the unit cost?
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