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11-17-2017, 06:04 PM
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Diesel HPR
There's a new/newer fuel available from Propel Fuels called Diesel HPR. It's not biodiesel. It is made from recycled fats and oils. Here are the company's words: "Diesel HPR is a performance fuel that meets the ASTM D975 petroleum diesel specification for use in all diesel engines".
Exclude our Cummims engines from that list. I spoke with Cummins today and they do not recommend using this fuel in the ISL engines. I did not ask specifically but would imagine the same goes for the ISC engines as well. They recommended using either diesel #2 or biodiesel up to B20. They also said that it is not necessary when using B20 to do anything differently than when using #2 as far as changing filters.
The fuel is available in California, perhaps elsewhere, and is priced considerably less than #2. Perhaps it's exempt from Uncle Jerry's new 32 cent diesel tax?
It is not for use in our coaches.
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11-17-2017, 08:08 PM
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Does it smell like french fries? People have been recycling used fryer oils from restaurants for a few decades now into diesel fuel. It is not something new.
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11-17-2017, 10:31 PM
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It's new to see it available commercially at a 76 Station rather than out of someone's garage. I'm simply providing some information based on my conversation with Cummins Support. Use it as you see fit.
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11-17-2017, 10:58 PM
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I don't agree if the information from Cummins as far changing filters when first using B5. When first using B5, it will clean your your fuel tank out very well and it will go in your filters. You also get poorer fuel mileage and less power. I do live in Oregon and all we can get is B5 or B20.
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11-18-2017, 08:49 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by kraig
I don't agree if the information from Cummins as far changing filters when first using B5. When first using B5, it will clean your your fuel tank out very well and it will go in your filters. You also get poorer fuel mileage and less power. I do live in Oregon and all we can get is B5 or B20.
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Then you should give Cummins a call. Do you disagree with their recommendation to not use the HPR fuel as well?
I live in Oregon part time and have seen B99 as well as good old #2, so there are plenty if options.
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11-18-2017, 02:57 PM
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Yes it is new to see it sold commercially. Cummins or any other engine manufacturer will not "approve" a product for their engines until it has been thoroughly tested by their engineering dept. This may not mean it is harmful to the engine. I would not hesitate to burn this HPR. If I remember correctly, the first diesel engine made was designed to run on coal oil.
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11-18-2017, 07:28 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ray,IN
Yes it is new to see it sold commercially. Cummins or any other engine manufacturer will not "approve" a product for their engines until it has been thoroughly tested by their engineering dept. This may not mean it is harmful to the engine. I would not hesitate to burn this HPR. If I remember correctly, the first diesel engine made was designed to run on coal oil.
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Did Cummins build that engine?
Let us know how it works out.
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11-18-2017, 10:55 PM
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Originally Posted by RVPioneer
Did Cummins build that engine?
Let us know how it works out.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudolf_Diesel
That explains how Rudolf Diesel designed the first compression-ignition engine(diesel). I was wrong about the first fuel, it was coal dust instead of coal oil.
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11-19-2017, 09:32 AM
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The history of the diesel engine is irrelevant to the topic of discussion here which is the recommendation by Cummins to not use the HPR fuel.
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11-19-2017, 10:52 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RVPioneer
The history of the diesel engine is irrelevant to the topic of discussion here which is the recommendation by Cummins to not use the HPR fuel.
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Sorry, I thought you asked about the engine.
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11-20-2017, 04:32 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ray,IN
Sorry, I thought you asked about the engine.
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I asked if Cummins built that engine. Which is a yes or no question as well as being rhetorical.
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11-25-2017, 03:46 AM
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Biodiesel sucks always has always will if you want to burn it in a 40 year old Mercedes that's fine
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11-26-2017, 09:26 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kennzz05
Biodiesel sucks always has always will if you want to burn it in a 40 year old Mercedes that's fine
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Propel Fuels states that Diesel HPR does not contain biodiesel.
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11-27-2017, 02:21 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RVPioneer
Propel Fuels states that Diesel HPR does not contain biodiesel.
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I don't know about you but that sounds like biodiesel to me
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