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Old 02-17-2008, 10:52 AM   #15
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Now wait a minute. Are you saying there was weather 100+ years ago? I wonder why the climate changeologists don't use that info. Maybe it is an inconvenient truth?

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"State of Fear" is a great book indeed. Not only does it add sanity and science to the discussion of global warming, it is a great depiction of the hysteria that follows, every time the subject comes up.

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Old 02-20-2008, 12:42 PM   #17
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Do you think we should get this info to the psuedoclimatologists?? I'm just suspecting, mind you, that we might just luck out and have some weather in the near future, too. I fully expect the Global Warming to accelerate as we come into spring and even moreso, with the advent of summer. I'm hoping we'll have Global Cooling after that. Pretty scary, I'd say.

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Old 02-21-2008, 09:58 AM   #18
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Good posts!!

Has anyone stopped to think that if wasn't for "global warming" that we would still be in the last "ice age" and Canada and half of the United States would still be covered in ice.

What torques me about these "experts" is their attempt to lay a guilt trip on me saying I caused it and if I'll start living like a cave man the warming will go away. Maybe Tristán de Luna y Arellano's campfires caused the hurricane in 1559 that sank five of his ships in Pensacola bay. Probably all that "hi-tech" equipment he was using.
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Old 02-21-2008, 02:14 PM   #19
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Me thinks me thread has been hijacked.
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Old 02-21-2008, 05:28 PM   #20
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Oregon Coyote:
Me thinks me thread has been hijacked. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sort of, but the point was that the same type of hysteria is generated by the media with regard to environmental and health issues - - they don't know anything, so print anything that sounds sensational.

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Reminds me of an old saying: 'Believe half of what you read, and none of what you hear' till you check it out for yourself.
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Old 02-23-2008, 08:56 AM   #22
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Barb et al,

My concern, prompted by media coverage of the FEMA formaldehyde issue, is only in terms of whether there "might" be a health risk especially for full-time Alpine/RV owners. I see no connection with the accuracy or non-accuracy of media coverage of something called "global warming".

OldForester pretty much put the formaldehyde concern to rest, at least for Alpines, but if an 'Alpiner' prefers to conclude there is no potential health risk from "off-gassing", or any other health issue with their RV for that matter, because they believe media coverage of FEMA trailers and/or other public issues have been exaggerated, what is there to say?

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I hate to say but I am one of a few that is bothered by formaldehyde. I found out the hard way in 7th grade biology when were dissecting. I broke out in the worse hives imagined! I itched my entire year of science. Back in the late 70's school nurses thought you were "faking" to get out of bio-not me, I loved it.

We've had two issues here in our home since we built it. 2 months after we moved in, a carpet got wet. Well..there came the itching again. Then when we put down laminate flooring, there's formaldehyde in the glue. I itched for 9 weeks until the fumes went away. We have to watch what products we do buy for our home because of my allergy. I even break out with certain nail polishes that have formaldehyde in the list of ingredients. I get MSDS sheets every time I can with products that are new-to see if formaldehyde is listed.

It's not fun to be bother by a gas one can't see. Nor is it fun to have one's face swell and not be able to see the facial features. It's downright dangerous to some of us-just the same as a bee sting, peanut, shellfish allergy. I have to have a epi pen just in case. When we bought our trailer we bought a used one-1 1/2 years old just for this reason-to let the fumes be gone.

I wish they'd use something else in products,itching stinks.

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Sorry to hear about your formaldehyde problems. I am aware some people can have major issues to it. I have minor problems with it and can detect it when it's off-gassing, as I said in my earlier post.

I think you made a point that tracks with mine earlier--you bought a used trailer that was 1 1/2 years old so the fumes were gone. That's the point about why I said FEMA has a good short term approach in asking people to let their trailers air out so the products with formaldehyde will finish their major off-gassing and stablize with the atmosphere. So you did what FEMA suggested, and it's one approach for people with formaldehyde sensitivity.

There is a solution to eliminating formaldehyde in products and it's paying more for the product. That's why Alpines cost more than cheaper motorhomes; they use solid lumber in the cabinets, plywood in the drawers, lots of tile and little carpet and upholstery. Formaldehyde-based resins, especially urea-formaldehyde, allow particleboard and similar interior products to be made more cheaply. And use of those products makes it easier to lower costs in RVs to appeal to a larger group of people.

Our previous motorhome was a Fleetwood Class C and it had lots of particleboard and MDF. It has some formaldehyde off-gassing. But it also had cabinets that lost screws, shook apart going down the road, and had gaps and cracks appearing before the warranty wore out; nothing similar to this has happened in our Alpine as we now have about the same miles as we had on our Fleetwood. The Fleetwood was a good class C; more of a shorter-term camper, and we enjoyed it, but it was also about 1/4 the price of the Alpine and that's a tradeoff we made when we bought it. It was an excellent starter motor home. And one of the reasons we changed to an Alpine for a more full-time like experience.

Everything we buy has a price and a tradeoff; you have made those decisions and they work for you. We did the same thing and they work for us. If you want to eliminate the itching from formaldehyde, you have to pay more for products that don't use it, and I'm sure you are aware of that.

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