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Old 11-27-2013, 12:06 PM   #1
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Fuel Winterizer = Anti-gel

I have used two fuel anti-gel products - both did not perform at -25 degrees F. I used double the recommended dosage and still had the fuel gel to the point where I had to idle [anything more than an idle and the engine would just quite] to a Wal-Mart and buy 911 additive. It took 6 quarts before the engine would run good. Both manufactures said I did something wrong - WRONG . I followed their instructions.
Now for the good part. Two friends who drive trucks full time cross country said they always mix 10% gasoline with the diesel fuel and they have no gel problems. This sounds crazy to me but my nephew, who is a diesel mechanic, says this is a common practice among truck drivers. I was going to call Cummins but I am almost sure they will tell me not to do it.

Has anyone had personal experience with this issue?
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Old 11-27-2013, 12:45 PM   #2
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1) you are in the wrong neighborhood. Head south. Mexico is beautiful this time of year.
2) up to 10% gas is what some truckers use. Per a recent thread here on iRV2, a Cummins shop asked a DP owner after he put gas in the tank, "how much gas vs diesel?" Then told him, "if its less than 10% gas you should be OK to just burn it thru, more than that & you'll have to empty the tank." Personally, I've always followed advice in #1, so can't vouch for actually doing it myself.
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Old 11-27-2013, 12:59 PM   #3
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At that temperature I would also start worrying about my antifreeze; getting close to the 50/50 freeze point. Glad we are the other side of the Ohio as I have never seen it below zero here. Tonight is supposed to be 19 degrees (and it's only November!), so we need to head South soon.
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Yo! We live in Ohio and Ski in Colorado. Thus, the -25 sometimes but not often.
When the coach at well below zero for a week it presents problems. I keep a Honda Generator in the condo and take it to the coach, start it up and plug in the block heater for about 4 hours. Then the coach will start OK.
I guess I'll try the 10% gasoline mix and keep my fingers crossed the heads don't blow off.
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Dont know the difference but was always told that truckers switched over to winter diesel grade of #1 vs the summer grade of #2 but availability of #1 maybe an issue.

On second thought, I agree with EM--you are too far north!
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Fueled up at the local Cenex last week. They have the Winter blend in and its about 10% No. 1 in the No. 2. I also add an additive to help out. I have had gelling problems before and don't want it again.

Adding gasoline scares me a little.
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Here is a posting from FlyingJ in 2012. Don't know if they still offer this.

"Participating Pilot Flying J locations in northern climates that experience harsh winters and temperatures reaching 15 deg. F or below regularly will offer a free diesel fuel additive to help prevent breakdowns due to fuel line and filter freezing and corrosion.
The additive is available at Pilot Travel Centers and Flying J Travel Plazas anywhere with a temperature posting of 15 deg. F or below as well as areas known for harsh winters, such as Colorado, New York, Minnesota and Wyoming. Other centers in northern-tier states will also offer the additive."
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Yo! We live in Ohio and Ski in Colorado. Thus, the -25 sometimes but not often.
When the coach at well below zero for a week it presents problems. I keep a Honda Generator in the condo and take it to the coach, start it up and plug in the block heater for about 4 hours. Then the coach will start OK.
I guess I'll try the 10% gasoline mix and keep my fingers crossed the heads don't blow off.
I would not do this if I were you, back a couple of decades ago they (refinery's) use to spike their #2 fuel with kerosene in the winter (winter blend) now it is done with additives. If you are going to add anything I would suggest kerosene as kerosene is a higher refined grade of #2 fuel and beyond kerosene is higher refined jet fuel. When I drove over the road when the temps. got down to 0 deg. I would pump 50 gallons into each of the tanks then top off with #2 fuel (300 gallons total) and never a gelling problem.
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What is used in diesel fuel in Alaska? -25 below can be a regular occurrence up there in the winter. Years ago, I heard of people mixing kerosene, which I believe is #1 diesel, with winter blend at about a 10% ratio. I also would "not" be receptive to mixing gas with diesel.
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Yo! We live in Ohio and Ski in Colorado. Thus, the -25 sometimes but not often.
When the coach at well below zero for a week it presents problems. I keep a Honda Generator in the condo and take it to the coach, start it up and plug in the block heater for about 4 hours. Then the coach will start OK.
I guess I'll try the 10% gasoline mix and keep my fingers crossed the heads don't blow off.
You ask a great question that I would like to know as well. It seems we are going to be in Winnipeg Canada this winter and we have been told -40 is not uncommon.

I know guys, "go south young man" and I will CERTAINLY do that as soon as I can...and stay as long as possible to thaw.

There has to be something as the 18 wheelers run year round here in Canada.

Any y'all that live north know any answers...?

Thanks in advance.
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What is used in diesel fuel in Alaska? -25 below can be a regular occurrence up there in the winter. Years ago, I heard of people mixing kerosene, which I believe is #1 diesel, with winter blend at about a 10% ratio. I also would "not" be receptive to mixing gas with diesel.
If one could afford it pure kerosene would make your engine run well with little to no emissions but very expensive and would be loosing some lubricating ability's maybe, kerosene will not gell up like diesel fuel do to it is a refined grade of diesel fuel and that is why is it to blend with diesel to stop the gelling in extreme temps.
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Hey folks, I just talked to a local driver and he pointed me to this. He calmed this is the stuff he runs all the way to the Arctic Circle. "It claims" to work to -40.

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We live in Montana so you know it gets cold, years ago I drove diesel school busses on a part time basis. When I got our first diesel motorhome I asked the bus company repair shop what fuel they used in the winter. It was a complicated, basically they use a mixture of #1 and #2 diesel depending on the predicted temps in the immediate future, max misture was 40% #1. Since then I have found local stations that sell a 50/50 mixture from the pump. To make a long story shorter, I have used the 40/60 mixture every winter since 2000 and have not had any problems. I was told by the shop forman at the bus barn that because the fuel is recirculated, once the busses are started the recirculated fuel will warm the fuel in the tank and it becomes less of a problem the longer the engine runs.

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The solution to an overnight stop is to not turn the engine off. Many truck drivers do this for weeks at a time. Otherwise the fuel is supposed to be blended to not gel at the lowest expected temp. Some engines have fuel heaters to help and they should be on a thermostat. Some return unused fuel to the tank and this is warm. Fuel should not gel above 17 degress. If you have 200 gallons of fresh fuel from Georgia though you might need some fuel conditioner and put it in about an hour before shutdown so the treated fuel will get into the fuel filter.
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