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Old 05-08-2019, 04:48 AM   #1
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Lug Nut at work

One of the things that has bothered me about owning a diesel pusher is the difficulty of removing/replacing the wheels. The wheels are heavy and the lug nuts are supposed to be tightened to 450 ft/pounds. The easy solution is to use a commercial tire service at home and on the road. However, I like to have options, and I like to have personal solutions. I think found a way to handle the lug nuts while on the road. A friend on a jeep forum posted a note about torque multipliers selling on ebay. They are cheap enough so that I felt comfortable experimenting.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/X-4-Torque-...EAAOSwA3dYF4o~

My torque multiplier turned out to be much nicer than the picture in the ebay ad. I cleaned it up and greased it.



I went to my local welder and found a suitable "reaction bar" in his scrap pile, and I bought a 33mm socket for the lug nuts. Here is where I made my first mistake. The output on the torque multiplier is 3/4" drive. I don't have any 3/4'" drive tools. So I bought a 3/4" to 1/2" reducer and a 1/2" inch 33mm socket. I used a 1/2" drive extension to reach the lug nut, and tried to remove one. I broke my 1/2" extension before the lug nut moved. Durn! After this, I did some internet research about tools, and found that 1/2" drive sockets are only rated to 300 foot pounds. Ahhh, that explains everything. I've ordered some 3/4" drive extensions and a 3/4" socket. I am waiting patiently before trying again to remove a lug nut. I hope to end up with a portable arrangement to loosen the lug nuts on my coach. Wish me luck.

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Old 05-08-2019, 05:27 AM   #2
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I carry one of these. My 8 year old can crank off the lug nuts. I can bust them loose with this then spin them off with the air impact.


https://www.ebay.com/itm/Torque-Mult...sAAOSwD4laq1wW
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I have been using a Proto Torque Multiplier since 2000 and love it. Easy to use. I also use a truck tire dolly. Now that really improves the removal and instillation process. I can easily roll the tire anywhere and when installing I simply use the dolly to lift the 150 pound tire with one hand and then rotate the tire with the other hand to align the holes with the lugs.
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I carry one of these. My 8 year old can crank off the lug nuts. I can bust them loose with this then spin them off with the air impact.


https://www.ebay.com/itm/Torque-Mult...sAAOSwD4laq1wW
Do you have an accurate way of torquing the lugs back down with this style????
I started out looking at this type, but decided that the proto type
in the next comment would be a better way to go.
Just curious as I haven't bought one yet.
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….don't really need to carry yet another "gadget" in the basement, just on the odd chance I may "want" to change a tire on the side of the road--that is not going to happen for me. I took the "farmer simple" approach and use a 4ft cheater bar marked off in 1ft increments....when I get ready to re-torque the nuts I "estimate" that I can apply [hang] about 125lbs on the cheater bar--so at the 4ft mark on the bar, I can apply around 450-500ftlbs--that is close enough for me and cheap too.....
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.don't really need to carry yet another "gadget" in the basement, just on the odd chance I may "want" to change a tire on the side of the road--that is not going to happen for me. I took the "farmer simple" approach and use a 4ft cheater bar marked off in 1ft increments....when I get ready to re-torque the nuts I "estimate" that I can apply [hang] about 125lbs on the cheater bar--so at the 4ft mark on the bar, I can apply around 450-500ftlbs--that is close enough for me and cheap too.....
I with you, I just don't mind changing a tire on my own verses waiting on roadside to do it. I carry a spare,( w/o a wheel at this point I). I had to change two in thirteen years on the last coach, it just not that hard if you have the right toosl for the job.
I have roadside for the big stuff, like towing.
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x4 multiplier - torque wrench 100 ft pounds = 400 ft pounds at lug nut.

The gadget has other uses than lug nuts.
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And, a long time ago, I made an extension per the website below to allow my regular 1/2" torque wrench to accurately do the job:


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I like the different ideas people have for removing the motor coach lug nuts. Thanks for sharing.

My 3/4" 33mm socket came in the mail today and I used it to loosen a lug nut. The first surprise was that the lug nut was WAY tighter than 450 ft/pounds. I pushed my 1/2" torque wrench up to 140 ft pounds (x4 = 560) and the lug nut didn't budge. I used my breaker bar (pull handle) and a 3' cheater bar to loosen the nut. Then I tightened it using my torque wrench ( 120 ft/pounds x4 = 480). I noticed that the stud has some anti-seize on it. I'm guessing that the anti-seize, along with the tire shops 1" air impact tool, is responsible for the excessive torque.
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Yea, on my last coach I had to take her to a truck tire place and have them use their really large impact wrench to loosen the lugs nuts. After that I was able to do it myself. This coach they were not bad.

I've only had to change a tire once while on the road. We were up in the mountains at a snow ski area. Driving through deep snow damaged the inner tire's valve stem. Roadside assistance couldn't get to me, so I removed the tire, and fixed the stem then pumped the tire back up. The rest of the time I remove the tires so I can clean the brake area and make sure the 'S' cam is clean and operating smoothly.
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Andy- I have a Snap-On version of that style of torque multiplier, has a gear ratio of 4:1 and a net-after-friction ratio of 3.33:1. Using 3.33 to 1, 140 x 3.33 = 466. I'd check specs on yours. If you've been torquing assuming 4 to 1 you may not have lug nuts tight enough.
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Mike, Thanks for your note. The x-4 material I have found says losses between 10-20%. That is reasonably close to the number you use with your tool. I'm guessing they are measuring output, not input. I agree that torque to 140 is probably a better guess. I hope to find a friend with a BIG torque wrench to verify friction losses.
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This is 1:58. Can some of you math wizards tell me what I need to set my torque wrench at?
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This is 1:58. Can some of you math wizards tell me what I need to set my torque wrench at?
The short answer is divide the torque you are looking for by 58.
If for example you were looking for 450# that would be just under 8# on you torque wrench. But you also need to know what the frictional loss is on the tool and adjust the math accordingly. There isn't a 1/2 drive torque wrench out there that is accurate at that low of a setting. This why I asked earlier about how people that were using this type of tool were torque the lugs back down, which hasn't been answered.
I was originally looking at this style of tool also due to space and cost, but I don't think it's the best way to go.But it will get the job done in a pinch....
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