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11-11-2014, 05:20 PM
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Plug In Behind Passenger Seat
In my 06 Apex, behind the passenger's seat is a 120v plug in that shuts off when not on shore power and during travel. I want to isolate the circuit for this plug in and move it to a circuit that is active during travel. Does anyone have a suggestion as to where I would locate wiring ? Is it possible the wiring is in the cabinetry above drivers side and controlled by the Lok-Out.
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11-11-2014, 05:44 PM
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That plug is not on the inverter, the closest plug on the inverter is under the kitchen cabinets.
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2005 38' FDTS Alpine Limited, 2016 Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited
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11-11-2014, 07:06 PM
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All the 120v wiring terminates at the breaker boxes under the main sink cabinet in your bathroom area.. Very simple to move the wire feeding that plug that is now on the gray, "shore power only" breaker box to the black inverter box--may end up moving more than one plug though, depending what all is on that circuit.... If this sounds a bit scary--suggest you have a knowledgeable electrician or atleast a layman electrician make the move for you.......
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11-11-2014, 08:59 PM
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I agree with Old Scout..... That is what I did.
Of all the plugs in the coach, thats the one you need going down the road.
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11-12-2014, 11:30 AM
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The Quick and Dirty solution is an extension cord. The passenger "armrest" on my 34 has the controls for the awnings and smart drawer. Removing the speaker gives easy access to the 12v wiring. I installed a cigarette lighter outlet under the switches to power a cel phone charger or small inverter.
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11-12-2014, 03:10 PM
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There are 2 plugs up in the front overhead that are on the inverter, one on each side. Depending upon what you have on the audio bay you might be able to use one of those.
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11-13-2014, 09:11 PM
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Gary/Old Scout, I know where you are talking about reference to the wiring under cabinet of bathroom, just want to confirm where the inverter box is, I'm thinking its the black box in the bay next to the inverter and above the Aqua-hot. And thanks to all for information as always your input is greatly appreciated.
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11-13-2014, 09:39 PM
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There are two circuit breaker panels, in the same location. One is the main, for circuits that run on shore/generator power. Then a smaller sub-panel for the inverter circuits. Those are the circuits you are looking for.
The black box below is probably the transfer switch between shore power and the generator power. The 50 amp cord goes in there. Likely not what you are looking for.
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11-13-2014, 11:44 PM
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Jim,
Thank you much for information.
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11-14-2014, 06:13 AM
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Jim is correct--the gray box under the sink is the main box, the smaller black sub-panel is the inverter panel. As a bit of a primer--when on shore power or while on genset, the main panel provides a 30 amp feed to the inverter, which in turn, uses a by-pass mode to return the same 30 amp feed to the black sub-panel. The black panel then distributes the 30 amps to selected plug-ins.
During battery inverting ops, the inverter takes 12v DC power from the house batteries and inverts it to roughly 20 amps of 120v AC [2000 watt inverter]. So by moving a selected circuit from the main gray panel to the inverted black panel, you now have an additional plug[s] powered while going down the road, but remember, the circuits on the inverter panel are limited to a total of 30 amps during shore power or genset; and 20-something amps while inverting......
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11-14-2014, 11:12 AM
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Old Scout,
Thanks for information, very helpful to have more insight to the workings. I'm going to look and try to isolate correct wire to move to the inverter panel. This does seem to be a straight forward project I can do myself. I don't anticipate using this plug in for more than charging iPhone or iPad while moving down the road.
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11-14-2014, 03:11 PM
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Just to clarify, you will need to move both the HOT and NEUTRAL for that circuit.
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11-14-2014, 04:25 PM
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You need to move ALL 3 wires, hot, neutral AND ground. Do not split the grounds between the power boxes!
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11-14-2014, 06:16 PM
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Dave,
The grounds should be tied together between the boxes as well as to chassis ground.
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