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Old 06-06-2005, 10:36 AM   #15
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Have 'em drag an Escatank, just to be sure.
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Old 06-19-2005, 04:25 PM   #16
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EngineerMike, they sure didn't do their work. It did it again. I am so mad at my coach right now that I am regreting my purchase. I am not feeling safe taking this coach anywhere.

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Old 06-20-2005, 09:56 AM   #17
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Well, I must admit when I first read of your transmission and other probs, I really thought you were one of the "whiny sort" who dont know a thing about Mechanical/electical devices, and certainly should not own a motorhome of any brand, because things will always go wrong with them and you will have the coach in the dealers yard.
After reading your post listing all of the problems, I appoligize for my thoughts. You have a lemon!!! It was built by a crew who was not paying attention. Suspect several coaches in a row were manufactured with similiar problems. If it were me, I would let Glazier know I will be comming to the factory for a complete inspection and repair and will not be leaving until problems were addressed.
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Old 06-20-2005, 10:08 AM   #18
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Thanks for your reply.
No, I am not a "whiny sort" and I do my own wrenching on most of my vehicles including a few restorations and complete build cars. Yes, I have the right reason to whine. Small things, I fixed. I am not mentioning those. See below for my current vehicles and projects. And, this is my third RV and I know that these will never be perfect.

I did call Mike G. this morning. My rig is going back to Allison today and that is all they can do for now since the problem is with the tranny. The BALL is in Allison's court.

SO, I WAIT AGAIN....

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Old 06-27-2005, 12:58 PM   #19
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Allison called and told me that the wiring harness was not installed per their specifications. They still don't have an answer to why it goes into limp mode only when there is load.

It's been 18 weeks since I bought the coach. I would say the coach has been in the shop for more than 15 weeks of it. Not only that, I may have to cancel my upcoming 10 day trip.

I've paying payments for a few months now for what?

David - very frustrated.
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Old 06-27-2005, 04:26 PM   #20
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Sounds like the first thing has nothing to do w/the 2nd thing. I.e. harness not to spec doesn't explain limping. Still sounds like a bad sensor value being communicated (as well as a failure to diagnose being communicated).
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Old 06-28-2005, 09:21 AM   #21
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Alpine authorized the "repair" of the wiring harness and other few little things. They will wrap it up today. I am taking my Excursion to them tomorrow for them to test the thing. We will see how that goes. The weather is cool here this week. That worries me little.

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Old 06-28-2005, 04:50 PM   #22
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I feel for you. After reading your tales of woe I don't feel so bad about our new coach that we took delivery on mid-March. We've had about 25 issues total, including several chassis issues two of them safety related. Total at dealership time has been "only" 10 weeks in 3 trips but they are 200 miles away. Once time they just shipped the parts to my house and I installed them.

For a while I started thinking lemon but got over it. However I did research the issue here in Washington state where there is a motorhome specific version of the vehicle lemon law.

I'd be curious how the California Lemon Law might apply to you and what the process is like as compared to Washington.

For refernce here are the exact qualifications for arbitration in Washington (provided free of charge by the state):

Your motor home may qualify as a "lemon" if
it has one or more substantial defects that have
been subject to a "reasonable number of attempts" to diagnose or repair the problem(s) under the manufacturers warranty. The Lemon Law does not cover defects in the portions of a motor home used as dwelling, office, or commercial space, or vehicles purchased or leased by a business as part of a fleet of 10 or more.

A reasonable number of attempts for motor homes means:
(1) a serious safety defect
"¢ has been subject to diagnosis or repair
one or more times during the period of coverage
of the applicable motor home manufacturerʼs
written warranty,
"¢ plus a final attempt to repair, and
"¢ the defect continues to exist;
A "serious safety defect" is a life-threatening
malfunction that impairs the driver's ability
to control or operate the vehicle, or creates
a risk of fire or explosion;
OR
(2) a nonconformity
"¢ has been subject to diagnosis or repair
three or more times, at least one of the times
during the period of the applicable manufacturers written warranty,
"¢ plus a final attempt to repair the vehicle,
and
"¢ the nonconformity continues to exist;
A "nonconformity" is a defect that
"substantially impairs" the use, value or
safety of the motor vehicle so as to make the
vehicle unreliable, unsafe or diminished in
resale value for comparable vehicles;
OR
(3) the motor home has been out of service by
reason of diagnosis or repair of one or more
nonconformities,
"¢ for a cumulative total of sixty calendar
days aggregating days out-of-service for all
the motor homes contributing manufacturers,
and
"¢ the motor homes contributing
manufacturers have had at least one
opportunity to coordinate and complete
inspection and repairs after receiving final
repair notices from the consumer.
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Old 06-28-2005, 06:48 PM   #23
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Well, I have contacted Alpine and they are trying however, if the test drive on Thursday shows same issues, I wil call this a LEMON and return it to Alpine. That option was also discussed along with new tranny and components. After this test, I am giving up on this specific coach.

By the way, I was told by Allison that they found numbers of potential issues with the way these transmissions are installed in Alpines. He will be sharing thiese photographs with me on Thursday.

My coach happenes to have this shifting problem and they have never seen this either so I wouldn't worry about the others. I just had a bad luck this time around which happenes to be the biggest purchase I have ever made on a vehicle.

Will keep you posted.
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I would like to know what Allison has to say, and would like to see the pictures too.
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I will let you know tomorrow after my test run.

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