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Old 11-23-2011, 03:38 PM   #43
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Originally Posted by az bound
I have no dog in this fight, but to me tax evasion is tax evasion, whether a millionaire or thousandaire.
I am curious as to whether Minnesota is also pursuing criminal prosecution?


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Old 11-23-2011, 06:09 PM   #44
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I'm curious how many people they've investigated and weren't able to prove they did anything wrong? They are advertising how much they have charged in fines and fees, but how many gave them their lawyers phone number and were found OK?

You never get the whole story.They will only tell you what they want you to know.

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Old 11-24-2011, 06:58 AM   #45
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Originally Posted by Bee950 View Post
Didnt John Kerry keep his boat in RI because the taxes were cheaper than they were in MA?

Whats good enough for a Senator is good enough for me
The difference is he kept the boat in RI. If you keep your RV in Montana there would be no problem.
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Old 11-24-2011, 07:28 AM   #46
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Originally Posted by Romeo View Post
That's an asinine statement!

Now if you want to say: "if you decide to buy a motorhome you need to CONSIDER the cost of sales tax when budgeting for the purchase...", or "If you have the money to buy an RV, you BETTER have the money to pay the tax...", I would not have a problem with it.

Your statement makes an offensive, judgmental assumption.
I think the point is, if you can drop 100K plus on a motorhome you can pay the taxes on it. I don't find offense in calling someone out for crying poverty when tax is due.

However, your modified statement makes sense too. I don't think people realize what they're getting into when deciding on the nice new MH. I was starstruck looking at a brand new diesel pusher, because at 165K it wasn't much more of a stretch from the 110K I was willing to chuck down for a used one. BUT, once I figured sales tax and excise taxes to be about 15K, I soured on the idea real quick. 15K for something you can't even see and before you even put the key in the door? NO THANKS

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Old 11-24-2011, 07:29 AM   #47
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The difference is he kept the boat in RI. If you keep your RV in Montana there would be no problem.
The Donald had his $29,000,000 yacht ( Trump Princess) flagged in Nassau Bahamas. He saved about $2,400,000. That always p'ssed me off every day I passed by it Manhattan.

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Old 11-24-2011, 07:49 AM   #48
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Im sorry but I focus on what I have to pay and dont spend much time worrying about what my fellow travellers are paying. If the "rule" says you can be out of state more than 6 months and qualify for an LLC--good for you. If you cheat on the 6 months-- bad for you. People will vote with their feet, not their wallet. States have to decide what is important--raising taxes or raising revenue--there is a difference.
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Some states allow 6 months out of state as an escape clause for LLC's other states do not have this exclusion. Keep in mind it is your responsibility to maintain records, campground receipts or fuel receipts from out of state purchases to prove the 6 month requirement. Anyone considering a Montana LLC should contact the Bennett Law firm in Montana and they can provide you with the requirements for your particular state and if they would even recommend forming an LLC. Each state has different requirement, KNOW your states rules and regulations.
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Originally Posted by clifftall View Post
The Donald had his $29,000,000 yacht ( Trump Princess) flagged in Nassau Bahamas. He saved about $2,400,000. That always p'ssed me off every day I passed by it Manhattan.
Yeah he's a real treat. A few years back he filed "bankruptcy" on one of his river boat casinos here in Northwest Indiana when it was being built. He put the screws to some small businesses that helped build the thing the the tune of thousands and thousands of dollars. Not a lot of cabbage to the POS, but sure put a hurt on the small business construction guy.
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Why is the amount of tax owed based on the value of the vehicle. If the tax money is used for road and Hwy repair and maintenance of the whole system, shouldn't is be base on the amount of usage (miles driven). Those who use the road system more, should pay more. The tax a person pays on new motorhome valued at $250k vs a 15 yr old motorhome valued at $50k, is more than their fair share. This is just TAX THE RICH. I think with todays technology, using miles driven is trackable and possible.
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Old 11-24-2011, 09:06 AM   #51
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We are already taxed on the miles driven via taxes on the fuel you buy. In our Country, we pay an average of 53.9 cents for every gallon of diesel fuel purchased. 48.8 cents per gallon for gasoline. I guess thats because people that buy diesel engines can afford to pay more.......

The big question to me is, why does a guy in a 40' $200,000 RV need to pay more tax than a guy in a 40' $50,000 RV ? Or for that matter, why does a guy that makes $200,000 annually need to pay more than a guy making $50,000 annually in income taxes? They both receive the same benefit from our government. They both take up the same amount of space & breath the same amount of air.

Just seems to me that we penalize people for working harder and take more of their money.

This kinda reminds me of the following story:

Suppose that every day, ten men go out for beer and the bill for all ten comes to $100…

If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this…

The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing.

The fifth would pay $1.

The sixth would pay $3.

The seventh would pay $7..

The eighth would pay $12.

The ninth would pay $18.

The tenth man (the richest) would pay $59.

So, that’s what they decided to do..

The ten men drank in the bar every day and seemed quite happy with the arrangement, until one day, the owner threw them a curve ball. “Since you are all such good customers,” he said, “I’m going to reduce the cost of your daily beer by $20″. Drinks for the ten men would now cost just $80.

The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes. So the first four men were unaffected. They would still drink for free. But what about the other six men? The paying customers? How could they divide the $20 windfall so that everyone would get his fair share?

They realized that $20 divided by six is $3.33. But if they subtracted that from everybody’s share, then the fifth man and the sixth man would each end up being paid to drink his beer.

So, the bar owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each man’s bill by a higher percentage the poorer he was, to follow the principle of the tax system they had been using, and he proceeded to work out the amounts he suggested that each should now pay.

And so the fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing (100% saving).

The sixth now paid $2 instead of $3 (33% saving).

The seventh now paid $5 instead of $7 (28% saving).

The eighth now paid $9 instead of $12 (25% saving).

The ninth now paid $14 instead of $18 (22% saving).

The tenth now paid $49 instead of $59 (16% saving).

Each of the six was better off than before. And the first four continued to drink for free. But, once outside the bar, the men began to compare their savings.

“I only got a dollar out of the $20 saving,” declared the sixth man. He pointed to the tenth man,”but he got $10!”

“Yeah, that’s right,” exclaimed the fifth man. “I only saved a dollar too. It’s unfair that he got ten times more benefit than me!”

“That’s true!” shouted the seventh man. “Why should he get $10 back, when I got only $2? The wealthy get all the breaks!”

“Wait a minute,” yelled the first four men in unison, “we didn’t get anything at all. This new tax system exploits the poor!”

The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up.

The next night the tenth man didn’t show up for drinks, so the nine sat down and had their beers without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered something important. They didn’t have enough money between all of them for even half of the bill!

And that, boys and girls, is how our tax system works. The people who already pay the highest taxes will naturally get the most benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy, and they just may not show up anymore. In fact, they might start drinking overseas, where the atmosphere is somewhat friendlier.

Just my thoughts on the matter. Happy Thanksgiving and I hope everyone has a great Holiday.

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Old 11-24-2011, 09:19 AM   #52
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You can draw all kinds of parrallels from a tax system that isn't fair anway...life was never guaranteed to be fair in the beginning. Jimmy 11, I can see you're really bothered by all this. Just relax and thank God for everything you have. I hope the homeless folks who are lucky enough to have an rv don't pay any taxes. Just my humble opinion.

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Old 11-24-2011, 09:37 AM   #53
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On the other hand, here in SC sales tax on any type of vehicle is limited to $300. So a poor fellow who pays $6,000 for a used car pays the same as someone who pays $150k for a nice mh or $29 million for a boat... However our personal property tax will be quite intense...
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Jimmy11, since I find myself in the AMT bracket every year I really enjoyed your beer story.

I don't complain so much about the amount I pay but rather the way the government chooses to spend the money. I do complain a little that mortgage interest and charitable contributions are no longer for me 100% right off last I looked I get to right off only 65%.

In my years in the Navy and my professional life after the Navy I traveled to many countries whose tax system was either much higher than ours or non existent.

The ones without a sufficient tax were deplorable places to live. No real roads, lack of military, very few if any public services, etc... I try to keep that in mind as I pay my taxes.

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Old 11-24-2011, 02:42 PM   #55
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As I see it, this just shows the difference between tax Avoidance and tax Evasion. Tax evasion is illegal. However, the Supreme Court has ruled that every American has the right to structure his transactions in any legal manner he chooses so as to avoid paying undue and excess taxes. It usually gets down to Form versus Substance. Thus was born the whole tax planning specialty of the legal/accounting professions. I know..... I was a CPA in one of my former lives.

I'm just happy that Washington State allows an offset to sales tax for trade-ins, and now limits our annual licensing fees. The old valuation method they used for annual Personal Property tax on vehicles was so bad that it was easy to vote it out of existence.

Anyway, I love the arguments on both sides of the Montana LLC issue. I chose not to go that route. I could have easily created the Form, but I would be lacking on the Substance. On the other hand, as a CPA I helped a lot of people plan their transactions to avoid various taxes. It was my job and besides, the Supreme Court said I could.
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Originally Posted by clifftall View Post
The Donald had his $29,000,000 yacht ( Trump Princess) flagged in Nassau Bahamas. He saved about $2,400,000. That always p'ssed me off every day I passed by it Manhattan.
ask yourself how many cruise ships you see flagged in the United States

taxes is the answer young man

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