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Old 11-27-2007, 05:15 AM   #15
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I just got my 2008 Dinghy Towing Guide in Motorhome magazine yesterday, and the Suzuki Grand Vitara is limited to 55 mph towing speed. Not good for any interstate travel.

Have you considered the Saturn Vue or Honda CRV or Ford Escape? All approved for towing, with a minimum of 65 mph.

We use the Blue-Ox tow bar system with removable pins so you don't see the baseplate on the car when not towing. Also use an Evenbrake by Roadmaster. All work well.
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Old 11-27-2007, 06:32 AM   #16
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A 55 MPH limit kills that option.
Anybody have info on an Isuzu Ascender?

Thanks.
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Old 11-27-2007, 07:35 AM   #17
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I don't see it in the guide. You can check here for other options. Scroll down to the bottom left side for the dinghy guides. They don't have the 2008 guide up yet, but it's in the January issue.
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Old 11-27-2007, 08:17 AM   #18
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We tow a 98 Toyota Tacoma PU, key on Acc, manual shift in neutral. Oh, and the brake OFF."

E Mike,
I am assuming this is a 4X4, correct?
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Old 11-27-2007, 08:33 AM   #19
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Bob,

I opted for the M&G Engineering break system, as Dave and Colleen note, it is simple to hook up. Connect an airhose to the coach and to the car and that's it. I had the breakaway feature added, to hook up slip a clip over a ring on both the MH and the toad and off we go. To further symplify, I leave the MH connected during tracel season so it's just attach the toad. For a towbar, Im using the Roadmaster Sterling All Terrain. When hooking up, it takes 5-minutes or less to attach both the towbar and the break system.
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Old 11-27-2007, 11:43 AM   #20
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I just looked at the Grand Vitara and the Jeep Liberty at the Dealer in my town. The Suzuki is very uncomfortable for me and does not offer power seats to mitigate the problem of banging my leg into the console, which kills it.

The Jeep Liberty is towable and fits me a LOT better. The styling is a bit better than the previous models and the option packages give me most of what we like. No restrictions on towing speed and a "Lifetime" power train warranty place it fairly high on the pecking order.

Also, my local Dealer includes a "Tires for life" clause if we perform the service according to plan at their location and they tell me they will install the sub-plate and cables for the braking system before I take delivery.

I've still got some homework to do and solicit comments.
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We have towed/driven our 2002 Liberty for at least 130,000 miles. No problems to date. Requires no extra equipment than a base plate to hook tow bar and no special action other than shifting to low range and turning ignition to accessory. Makes a decent on road and off road vehicle if you like off the beaten paath exploration.

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I forgot to state that the M & G brake system requires a added little air compressor. Mine is up under the coach just forward of the rear end on the battery box side. The advantage to this is. 1) you have an air compressor with a little tank that will reach 125 psi. (Without starting the coach. Just turn the key on and press the brake peddle down. Then use the air connection at the rear of the coach for your tow car.) 2) You can always check the operation of your tow car brake actuation by using a PSI gauge. I really like the setup 4WDR automatic Blazer, Roadmaster tow bar, breakaway cable, electric light cable and the M &G system. Glade that I researched all postings on the subject and talked to a lot of very nice RVr's.
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Thank you all.

Those very nice RVr's Dave mention will keep me from making a mistake.

The new Liberty has an electronic switch that replaces the lever to put the Jeep in neutral. So far it's the only unit that doesn't place a speed limit on towing. It offers a few standard options the others don't.

Dave,
Exactly does the air of the M&G system do (ie, is there a cylinder in the car that applies the brakes?)?
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Bob,

Here is link for M & G brake system.

http://www.m-gengineering.com/BrakeSystem.html

I used a Roadmaster tow bar system for many years. I have changed to the Blue Ox. I like the way the connections are on done on the tow vehicle with the Blue Ox. Much easier and quicker than the Roadmaster. (For the units that keep the tow bar on the coach.)

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Dale,
Thanks for the lead to M & G.
Question:
As our Coaches have onboard air compressors, why is an additional stand-alone 12 VDC unit required?
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Bob,

When I had the M&G system installed, the installer connected the air supply to the coach air.
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Makes sense to me Jeff.
They probably only installed a proportioning valve to govern the pressure to the TOAD.
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I trusted the dealer to install it the right way. The prior owner also had a 12vdc compressor, but removed it. I never really thought about it! You're 100% right, just the proportioning valve is enough. After all the engine compressor, I believe is over 13 CFM @ 125 psi.
Thanks.....M & G will have a talk then the dealer that installed it.
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