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Old 12-09-2003, 03:04 PM   #15
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Hi Bernie

I worked with Harold van der Meijden. He is the Senior Manager of the Technical Service Department at Toyo Tires (U.S.A.) Corporation.
He can be reached at 714 236 2080 EXT. 2246

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Old 12-11-2003, 07:00 AM   #16
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I am planning to replace my tires and plan to use the M127 on the front and the M122 on the back. I have a new M120 that I purchased as an unmounted spare for our trip to Alaska. Does anyone know if I could mix this with the M122s since they are very similar? The M120 has never been used.
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Old 12-11-2003, 07:23 AM   #17
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Are you sure, you want to mix tire models on your coach? You will be making it more difficult to facilitate repairs and rotation will not be possible.
RV's really don't put the kind of stress on tires that truckers do. I would talk to a few tire experts before I would install two different tires on my RV.

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Old 12-17-2003, 06:49 PM   #18
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I tried 127's on the front with the stock 120's on the rear i did not like the handling. Put the 127's on the rear, now handles much better then new.

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Old 01-29-2004, 07:16 AM   #19
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I just had 6 new M127s installed on my 36FDS and am looking forward to trying them on an extended trip. I'll share my experiences with you in Albuquerque. Also, I have an unused, unmounted M120 if anyone wants a spare for a trip to Alaska or other remote places.
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Old 01-29-2004, 06:32 PM   #20
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I INSTALLED 6 NEW M127 TIRES AT 53,000 MILES, ON A 2001, 40FT. ALPINE. I NOW HAVE 67,000 MILES ON THE COACH. THE TIRES SEEM TO BE WEARING BETTER ON THE EDGES THEN THE M12O, BUT I FOUND LITTLE DIFFERENCE IN THE WAY THE COACH HANDLES. I ALSO MAINTAIN 110 LBS., PRESSURE IN THE NEW FRONT TIRES, THE FRONT END WEIGHS IN BETWEEN 12,000 LBS., AND 12,300 LBS. WITH A FULL TANK OF FUEL AND WATER AND VERY LITTLE STORED IN THE BAYS.
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Old 02-14-2005, 07:40 AM   #21
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Ok, it has been a year since a number of Alpine owners reported having replaced the Toyo M120 tires that come on the coach and WEAR BADLY ON THE EDGES to M127 steering tires.<span class="ev_code_RED">WEAR BADLY ON THE EDGES</span>

What kind of edge wear do you see now?????
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Old 02-14-2005, 08:14 AM   #22
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I have 26K miles on my 36fds. I noticed a severe wear pattern on the outside edges of the front tires, Toyo 120m's. I took it in for alignment and they changed the toe in from -.25 inches to -.067 inches. I have put 5k on the coach since and cannot see any wear. I do notice a difference in handling. It now wants to wander slightly going down the freeway. Does anyone know the spec for toe in on the Alpine? Also, would steer tires be a better answer to these problems?
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Old 02-14-2005, 04:58 PM   #23
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I replaced my 120's with M147's about 3 months ago and noticed a BIG Difference. My coach is a 99 with 32,000 miles when I changed tires. I was getting pull to the right that I couldn't get rid of, even when I had it aligned. I have driven about 4000 miles on the new tires and what a world of difference and the ride is great. When I bought these tires it was a toss up between the M127 and the M147. I couldn't be happier with my M147's and would buy them again.
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Old 02-17-2005, 12:54 PM   #24
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I had the wear pattern @ 15K miles, rotated the front tires, then again at 30K. Toyo indicated it was something to do with "Free Rolling Wear, steering tires and ply". Changed to 127's (6 tires) which is a steering tire. Now have about 4K with no signs of wear. The ride does seem better. Will follow closely.

Take Danny's advice and contact Toyo.

One note, both my inner dual valve stems have failed due to vibration. Make sure you obtain the rubber supports Alpine is now using (Les Schwab). I had Tire Sensors on my valve stems and believe they magnified the problem.

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Old 02-21-2005, 10:30 AM   #25
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DANNY I have switched to the Mitchlen 275/80R22.5 LRH - (XZA2) It is the same size in inches as the Toyo 295/75R22.5(G). Howerever it has a better load rateing and is a steer tire.And I think it lookes and handles better on the coach. DRDAVE
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After two blowouts on our 2000, I too switched to the Michelin XZA2 tires in size 275R8022.5. They have a 7000 lb load rating in load range H. I put over 10,000 miles on them on the 2000 and had them transfered to the 2005 the day we took delivery. I have another 8,000 miles on them now and they show no sign of wear at all. The ride is equal or better than the Toyo's. It is tough to tell as I have had Centramatic wheel balancers on both. Smooooth!!! For me, the deciding factor in addition to the increased load rating was the 700,000 mile, seven year, three recap warranty on the carcus. Michelin really belives in their tire.
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Old 04-20-2005, 02:02 AM   #27
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Louie,

I am about to put 6 new XZA2 tires on my coach, as well as Centramatics. Do you remember what the part number for the centramatics was used. I remember you said that they were different for the front and back.

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Old 05-07-2005, 10:29 AM   #28
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Hi, I have to replace my front 120's because one has a 3-inch-long cut in the sidewall and I don't want to tempt fate. I too have the bad wear pattern for which I blamed the former owner; the coach only had 95 pounds in the front when we took delivery. Sure hope your complaint about the handling with 127's in front only is an isolated instance, as my rear tires have only 30K miles and four years on them. But I'll try it and come back here with a report.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by dgerstel:
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I tried 127's on the front with the stock 120's on the rear i did not like the handling. Put the 127's on the rear, now handles much better then new.

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