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Old 04-08-2012, 10:22 PM   #1
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TV reception

I'm having problems (again) with my satellite and over-air TV systems and I'm considering replacing the Kingdome system and Winegard over-air antenna that came on my 2008 Alpine. I've read the advertising hype from both Kingdome and Winegard and would like some users opinions on the systems. Kingdome says that i can dump my over-air antenna as their satellite system will replace that. Kingdome is less expensive also. Winegard says they can access all 5 satellites for better programing range. I'm interested in any info that any of you can provide. Also are there other options rather than Kingdome and Winegard?
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I would email Dale Morris at dm_10644@hotmail.com and get his opinion..he installed my antenna and knows a lot of pro's and cons and where to put them on our Alpine coaches. He is in the Spokane area in the summer. I would stay away from the dome antenna's due to signal loss in rain and snowy weather..Mel
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I would email Dale Morris at dm_10644@hotmail.com and get his opinion..he installed my antenna and knows a lot of pro's and cons and where to put them on our Alpine coaches. He is in the Spokane area in the summer. I would stay away from the dome antenna's due to signal loss in rain and snowy weather..Mel
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TV Reception

I have the Winegard Travelor Automatic dish for DirecTV. Works fine--one button dials in all the satellites (101, 110, 119). If you go that route, have the dish mounted behind the first air conditioner. If you put it up front, too much vibration due to airflow over the Alpine front cap.

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Here is Dales contact info..Mel
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I have the Winegard Travelor Automatic dish for DirecTV. Works fine--one button dials in all the satellites (101, 110, 119). If you go that route, have the dish mounted behind the first air conditioner. If you put it up front, too much vibration due to airflow over the Alpine front cap.

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We also have the Winegard Travelor but set up for Dish and love it. Kind of expensive but worth it in my opinion. Push one button and it locks on all three satellites EVERY TIME. Ours is mounted up front and, under some wind conditions, will rattle a bit so mount it aft if possible.
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Everything Basil and Sue have said regarding their Winegard goes for us also. We've had it installed for a year and absolutely love it. This is a trouble-free quality product. We also have nothing but good things to say about DISH. It has been such a quality product that we removed COX Cable from our home and went DISH there also. DISH has absolutely the finest customer service that I have seen in any business. Best of all, they all speak English.

Scott and Bobby at Junction City, OR did the complete installation placing the dish right behind the kitchen vent/fan. There is no vibration in that location and you can actually watch the entire extension/retraction cycles by looking through the vent.

All in all, we couldn't be happier.
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I have owned both Winegard and Kingdome systems on different coaches. Both systems are in motion. The Winegard was definitely quicker to find and lock in on signals than the Kingdome. However, the gear-drive had to be replaced on the Winegard after a couple of years. Both give good reception on SD. I have not owned a system capable of HD. I use Directv as my provider.

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I also have the Winegard Travler dish for Directv, and it works great. It might not be the quickest at locking onto the satellites, but it is perfect when it does so. And I rarely lose the satellite signal in rain, unless it is a pretty heavy downpour or very windy. It is the same dish and LNB's that Directv uses on the home systems.

At the time I was looking a few years ago, nobody made a dome type of satellite dish capable of receiving Directv HD signals. I found that even when I didn't have a HD TV, the HD signal looked better on the EDTV plasma TV than with the standard definition signals.

I found the Winegard Sensor "batwing" antenna does a good job if I am anywhere near a big city where I would expect to get over the air stations, often without even raising the antenna. But it works ONLY if using the antenna booster system that Winegard provides. In my storage lot I am probably 50 miles from the LA stations, and I can pick up 90+ stations without raising the antenna. (But I am probably parked aimed towards the LA towers.) And with digital over the air, you either get a perfect signal or nothing. Never snowy.

Bob Adams, who often posts elsewhere on the IRV2 forums answering satellite related questions, is also a good one to ask for an opinion on satellite dishes. He was a Motosat dealer and owned a Winegard Traveler.
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Old 04-09-2012, 10:11 PM   #10
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Well,... In days of old when folks were not yet bold and ANALOG was the way TV was broadcast (land based broadcasting) The Satellite system carried all the same shows for those in stick houses, plus a whole bunch of shows they could not get over the air.

For RVers.... Well, that is a touch more complex. But the NETWORK shows were all there, twice a night in fact (Local origin shows might or might not be depending on how far from your "Service Address" you happened to park)

TODAY, however we have digital broadcast, 2 or 3 or more stations crammed into the six MHZ slice of spectrum formerly taken by one show.

And neither Dish, nor DirecTV carries THIS-TV or ME-TV or ANTENNA-TV or RETRO-TV networks. And those (Shows from the 50's and 60's for the most part) are some of the best shows out there.. I'm watching "The Untouchables" as I type.

Now: Sat antennas: Domes see one bird, and only one bird, now some of 'em can change direction and look at a different bird very quickly, but it still sees only one bird (AT A TIME) and no dome can do DirecHDTV, DirecTV yes, but HDTV no.

With "Dish" type antennas.. You can have 2,3,4,5,6,7,8 LNB units, with switching you can see a whole bunch of satellites at one time. And thus more programming.

But they do not like the 60mph "Breeze" when you drive less they are properly stowed.

My recommendation:

Both Satellite and Over the Air antennas, Winegard "Batwings" can be "Upgraded" if they are working properly. There are two upgrades

The "Wingman" (Technically this is a UHF Director Array, Gives the antenna more directionality and an actual "Front to back" difference,

And a second preamp with some really nice features. (Sensar Pro)
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Old 04-10-2012, 10:29 AM   #11
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I want to thank all of you (Melorene, Beagle, sdcyclist, Basil & Sue, Dick, TxTC, Jim A., wa8yxm and to any who may still respond) who responded to my request about satellite systems. As usual the IRV2 community is such a great source of information and, I might add, humor. Especially for me with an orphan coach it is invaluable to have your help.
To all you Alpine owners I hope to see you at the Leavenworth rally or somewhere else down the road.
Dave & Susan (the best navigator ever!) Weber
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As an authorized King Dome repair specialist, I would go with the wingard traveler. Everyone I have talked to loves the way it works and how easy it is to set up. If we every change, that is where I'm going. They are expensive, depending on where you are, Kustom Coach Works in Junction City/Coburg, OR area is who I would use.
FWIW - We have never had good local channel recepsion on our Dell (OEM) TV, the tv works fine on DiirectTV, and movies, but suc.....s on local channels. I have not checked the connections on the local antenna, but since it works in the other modes well, I kinda figured it might be the external antenna, or the TV. Don't want to change TV's unless I change out all the other stuff, and don't want to do that either since the accident. Guess I will see if a different Digital Antenna works better.
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Old 04-19-2012, 09:59 PM   #13
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Thanks, Monty,
I appreciate your comments as your endorsement for Winegard is particularly meaningful.
I have never been able to access over-the-air stations with the OEM Alpine antenna system. Have never investigated it as to why because we don't use the TV a lot. When I goi to the new Winegard satellite receiver I will also have them check and probably replace the existing over-the-air antenna.
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Old 04-20-2012, 01:22 PM   #14
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Dave, we bought a Winegard Traveler automatic dish last year and we're very happy with it too. The antenna controller went out a couple of months ago, but it was replaced under warranty. Aside from that, it works a lot better than the Kingdome did, especially in the rain. We installed it behind the front a/c.

We also bought a "Jack" digital tv antenna for the broadcast channels, and it works very well. It was an easy replacement (10 minutes) for the batwing antenna. However, if you're not getting any signal now, you may have a bad connection. Check the center wire in the cable at the connection on the roof--ours was corroded and broken.
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