Water4gas

[Medic318]

has anyone tried this system on a workhorse 8.1 I was at a sani station the other day and a fellow with an older coach c-class 24ft stated he was gettiin 21+miles per gallon with the system (showed me the installation) I went to the web site but unless you buy the package $97.00 you cannot get a lot of info so if anyone has tried it or know of anyone whom has tried it please let me know the results it sounds interesting but don't know if it would work on a big block engine controlled by a computer maybe you techies would look and give me your impressions

[Hitchhiker]

More info here.

[dieselclacker]

Hmmmm, why does P.T. Barnum, and snake oil come to mind? :

Dieselclacker

[Jestme13]

Without getting to deep into this, isn't it the water injection systems of the 1970's ?

[Hitchhiker]

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isn't it the water injection systems of the 1970's

Steve,

This is different.

What they're saying is that they interject the hydrogen and oxygen extracted from water into the engine's air intake which ostensibly increases the gasoline's burn rate thus improving mileage. Some folks stand firm that it works, others such as 'dieselclacker', say it's snake oil. I think the jury is still out on it.

[doc]

I thought one of the statements made by someone on that forum was this , "It produces two kinds of Hydrogen,...' was a clue.
I have no idea whether this works or not, but some of what these guys were talking about seems to make sense on first thoughts. Now whether or not the volume of hydrogen (produced in a generator as small as a couple of them describe) is sufficient to change MPG or performance is another matter.

When I hear " It produces two kinds of Hydrogen,...", I am skeptical immediately. I wonder what the OTHER type of hydrogen.

[MtManLee]

It makes absolutely no sense cuz its as phoney as a three dollar bill. Yes they are working on cars in calif right now that run on hydrogen. Starting with a fleet of taxies. Cost to operate or build one system right now is in the thousands of dollars. You cannot buy it for less than that and you must be a basic scientist to put it together properly. If anyone is trying to sell you a kit or tell you anyone can do it I would not walk I would run from them for they are nothing but scammers and theives.

[Route 66]

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I think the jury is still out on it.

I don't think the jury is coming back in.

If any of these snake oil products worked, then the vehicle manufacturers would use them, as mileage sells.

[Hitchhiker]

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I thought one of the statements made by someone on that forum was this , "It produces two kinds of Hydrogen,...' was a clue.

I wonder if they said "two parts of Hydrogen" as would be in the water compound H₂O?

[RV 4 2]

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I wonder if they said "two parts of Hydrogen" as would be in the water compound H<sub>2</sub>O?

Yea, that must be it.....
But which part does it use. The H1 or the H2 part??

[Marty M]

I am using the HHO generator on my 1995 Ford Ranger right now. I have not made any other other changes other than installing the generator. Once tested if it looks like it will make a difference I will install it on my 2006 Fleetwood with a 6.8l V10 Ford.
I want to test it out first.
Marty

[Rick 2005 Dolphin 5376]

Being that you said you are using it, what results have you seen so far?

[NeilV]

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Originally posted by Medic318: has anyone tried this system on a workhorse 8.1 I was at a sani station the other day and a fellow with an older coach c-class 24ft stated he was gettiin 21+miles per gallon with the system (showed me the installation) I went to the web site but unless you buy the package $97.00 you cannot get a lot of info so if anyone has tried it or know of anyone whom has tried it please let me know the results it sounds interesting but don't know if it would work on a big block engine controlled by a computer maybe you techies would look and give me your impressions

They are using them to generate welding gas and artists seem to be very happy with the results from the cleaner burn. On newer vehicles you may have to modify the return from the exhast sensors as the introduction of the hydrogen may make the computer think things have gotten too lean and hot so it wastes gas trying to cool things down by enriching and injecting more gasoline.

It does take a good amount of electrictity to create a reaction that releases the hydrogen. On an RV you would probably have a better shot at getting this done due to the higher output altinators installed on them. Many cars don't have charging systems with enough amperage to maintain a reaction. You may still have to address keeping the computer from swinging into cool down mode and end up using more instead of less gasoline.

There are some videos of the reaction on the web and there are a number of people that are making these. There are also commercial units being sold for use in laboritories and welding shops. It may however be hard to pick out the sincere ones from the snake oil vendors.

[MtManLee]

In a couple of other forums I offered 1000 dollars to the first person that could bring me a vehicle made after 1990 with a hydrogen kit that is working and doing all that they claim it is doing for them in saving fuel and running off of water. Not one single person could do that and all quit the forums that I was in. I make the offer here again if you can drive your vehicle to my location with a hydrogen kit on it and the vehicle is newer than 1990 and you are running purely on water I will pay you 1000 dollars.
Yes there are hydrogen cars being test in calif and like I said test.