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Old 02-09-2015, 08:00 AM   #29
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We were in the OP at the Tampa show last month. We were told that you will be able to order the OP with the 450 motor.

THE BIG THING WRONG in the OP... Tiffin squeezed a rectangular shower in as people have been requesting they do. The only problem is that it is very tight. The shower is only 30" wide (30x40). It is TOO TOO NARROW!!!
The standard rectangular shower in the industry is a 32 x 40. That 2 inches is a very big deal breaker. You need to see an OP in person before you opt for the unusable shower. I spoke with Tiffin engineers by phone yesterday & they are trying to figure it out. This shower is wrong in for this class coach.
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Old 02-09-2015, 08:09 AM   #30
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IF Entegra Anthem WERE to answer with a similiar floor plan the ANTHEM at the same price point as the Bus would win HANDS DOWN.

I agree 100%

also, you might want to compare the 2015 Newmar Mountain Aire 4553 if 500hp is enough.
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Old 02-09-2015, 12:52 PM   #31
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StuartS,

We have looked at the Mountain Aire and the bottom line in our opinion is it's overpriced. The 500 hp 4000 tranny account for much of the $$$$ we realize but I am happy with the 450 hp in the Bus or Anthem.
So we wait until May or so to see if the 2016's offer any floor plan changes .

If no changes then the 45OP it is for us !!!

I understand the shower complaint but it works OK for us.
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Old 02-10-2015, 06:38 AM   #32
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I'm also happy with the 450 & we were ready to order the Allegro Bus 45lp but after looking at the Dutch Star & the changes Newmar made for 2015, we are leaning towards the Dutch Star & will most likely be ordering a 2016 after Nemar releases all the changes the 2nd week of May. But, the Allegro Bus is not off the table. Tiffin is looking into a slightly larger shower in the OP.
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Check the carrying capacity of the Dutchstar vs the Bus unless Newmar has changed axles, tires etc it was less and would not work for us as full timers. Storage & carrying capacity are our top 2 requirements !
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Love the 45OP floorplan. That has to look huge inside.
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Love the 45OP floorplan. That has to look huge inside.
Yup sure is !!!
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Really liked the Dutchstar, but if it matters to you where can you put a cereal box? Cabinets look big in the slides,but make sure you open them. You will see what I mean.
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I noticed the narrow shower but the biggest issue for me was the mirror over the vanity was such that I could not see my face while standing. I am 6'2"(would not be an issue for those shorter)
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Check the carrying capacity of the Dutchstar vs the Bus unless Newmar has changed axles, tires etc it was less and would not work for us as full timers. Storage & carrying capacity are our top 2 requirements !
My son just bought a 2015 45' Mountain Aire. It has a 20,000# rear axle and a 10,000# tag. My bus has a 22,000# drive axle and a 13,000# tag, and his coach is heavier than mine. The 10,000# tag is adequate for the MA but IMO the drive should be higher. We both pull a 12,000# trailer with a 1200-1500# tongue weight. When I dump my tag for a turn or backing up, the drive axle goes up to 24,000#. His will be over 24,000# on a 20,000# axle. Seems to me Newmar could have used a 22 or higher axle.
He has also had a pipe freeze because of poor insulation near the water compartment and the Oasis boiler keeps shutting down on the road with any side wind. Two nights ago, he had to start the generator and run the floor heat to keep the temp in the upper 60's. It was -16* in the morning. I have been in the same conditions with an 03 Phaeton a few years ago and no problem using two gas furnaces. So far, he's not overly impressed with Newmar's design and workmanship. My wife and I both like the layout of our rear bath compared to the Mountain Aire.
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