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01-17-2018, 08:57 AM
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4 season Motorhome?
To have a 4 season motorhome you head south in October and then head north in May. These things are not designed to be real homes. Dave
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01-17-2018, 09:11 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by allegro1x
To have a 4 season motorhome you head south in October and then head north in May. These things are not designed to be real homes. Dave
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Oh....I see
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01-17-2018, 10:08 AM
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Saddlesore - any chance you went to N Salem High School. I was there in 1962 and left the state in June of 62. Dave
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01-17-2018, 04:02 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by allegro1x
Saddlesore - any chance you went to N Salem High School. I was there in 1962 and left the state in June of 62. Dave
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Sorry, Class of '68, The Dalles.Up until '66 attended school in Quincy, WA. DW went to Cascade , class of '72
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01-17-2018, 06:28 PM
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The underbelly insulation has much in common with Swiss Cheese, all though I think the Swiss Cheese might actually be slightly better. I just aquired an AllegroBay 34XB and made the mistake of driving it over Christmas. While the coach interior was not bad, underneath froze. There are funace ducts into the tunnel under the floor, but what is the point if that tunnel is full of holes. Some due to poor construction. Other holes due to no real consideration for sealing it up. The slide out rails poke through into the tunnel. There are several gaps around the rails. No attempt was made to seal those gaps. Front end of the tunnel has a flat piece of metal across it. The metal was bent and there is a gaping hole several inches in diameter where the metal does not meat the loor of the tunnel. The raised rail sides are steel, and have no insulation on either side of the them. (Steel conducts cold from the outside fairly well) The floor of the tunnel is just a piece of wood with sheet metal underneath. The basement cabinets that are open to the tunnel are just thin steel with no insulation. I really have no idea what the though process was. You have double pain windows, as if that will keep you warm, but the basement will freeze.
My fresh water pipe froze. it runs along the side of the holding tanks. It is a confind area, so there is no access to the pipe, so no way to thaw it out. I dumped the tanks. Most of it came out as slush. I tried to blow out the water lines. As I was pumping air through it, the water stopped flowing, but I did not get air, just everything stopped, which meant it froze faster than I could flow water through. I was fortunant to have a loading dock that I could park it in over night to rescue it.
The sad part is, I have been camping every Christmas for the last 17 years in my motorhome. I only had a problem once, and was able to add some small insulation to prevent freeze up. I've since camped in single digits and high winds, and nothing froze. With the new to me coach, I don't see how I can carry on this tradition. There is no way to fix it, as access is too limited.
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01-17-2018, 06:57 PM
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Each manufacturer has different ideas as to what needs to be all season insulated..
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01-17-2018, 09:34 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by allegro1x
To have a 4 season motorhome you head south in October and then head north in May. These things are not designed to be real homes. Dave
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You are already in Georgia, not much farther south to go from there. In Minnesota mine is a three season motorhomes at best.
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01-18-2018, 04:47 AM
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Unfortunately I'm not far enough south. It's 7 degrees here this morning in N GA. Dave
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01-18-2018, 06:56 AM
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This year, way south Florida, we are orange beach, al. More people crawling about with hairdryers every morning. Even though it’s about 20* instead of 5 to 10 where you are. Even the high ends do dumb things, like running water lines and ice maker lines by the outside louvre, no insulation in bays or floor, +-+-
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01-19-2018, 06:53 AM
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7 days ago we were 15 degrees below 0, today we are forecast to be 40+degrees above 0. Global warming? No, next week it's back to sub-zero.
That is why I need another furnace in my motorhome, if you read my post of insufficient heat.
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01-19-2018, 07:07 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by allegro1x
To have a 4 season motorhome you head south in October and then
head north in May.
These things are not designed to be real homes.
Dave
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And the discussion is??????????????
Think it has more to do with the Manufacturer and the owner than the weather.
We have Wintered in Golden, Colorado - one year it was -17 every night for 10 days straight - while many had issues - we were as Snug as a Bug in a Rug.
Aqua Hot and Well insulated - works - if you Know what your Doing.
BUT ................Nothing wrong with just Owning Shorts and Moving the Coach to be sure you are Dressed Appropriately.
Last but not least - Insulation works not just to keep you warm - but in the summer to keep you Cool.
JMHO,
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01-19-2018, 05:32 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by allegro1x
To have a 4 season motorhome you head south in October and then head north in May. These things are not designed to be real homes. Dave
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There's lots of 4 season RVs in Florida and Arizona right now!
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07-24-2018, 07:09 AM
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My 34xb is great in winter
I doubt that you have a "real" 34xb? I have a 2007 34XB (absolutely positively), and it has a front and rear furnace. The rear furnace heats only the bedroom and the basement (all tanks and lines). I put stick-on foil insulation on the inside and outside of my wet bay compartment for added insulation, and put a remote thermometer in it. We camped and travelled in temps down to -16 C (-5F) with no problem. The wet bay never got near freezing, and we had no issue with water or sewer... Before dumping the tanks, I bumped the basement temp up to around 70F, and then nothing froze while dumping. I did plug a couple gaps around hoses in the raised rails with some pieces of foam, but just a couple spots. My 34XB is excellent in the cold.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Daveinet
The underbelly insulation has much in common with Swiss Cheese, all though I think the Swiss Cheese might actually be slightly better. I just aquired an AllegroBay 34XB and made the mistake of driving it over Christmas. While the coach interior was not bad, underneath froze. There are funace ducts into the tunnel under the floor, but what is the point if that tunnel is full of holes. Some due to poor construction. Other holes due to no real consideration for sealing it up. The slide out rails poke through into the tunnel. There are several gaps around the rails. No attempt was made to seal those gaps. Front end of the tunnel has a flat piece of metal across it. The metal was bent and there is a gaping hole several inches in diameter where the metal does not meat the loor of the tunnel. The raised rail sides are steel, and have no insulation on either side of the them. (Steel conducts cold from the outside fairly well) The floor of the tunnel is just a piece of wood with sheet metal underneath. The basement cabinets that are open to the tunnel are just thin steel with no insulation. I really have no idea what the though process was. You have double pain windows, as if that will keep you warm, but the basement will freeze.
My fresh water pipe froze. it runs along the side of the holding tanks. It is a confind area, so there is no access to the pipe, so no way to thaw it out. I dumped the tanks. Most of it came out as slush. I tried to blow out the water lines. As I was pumping air through it, the water stopped flowing, but I did not get air, just everything stopped, which meant it froze faster than I could flow water through. I was fortunant to have a loading dock that I could park it in over night to rescue it.
The sad part is, I have been camping every Christmas for the last 17 years in my motorhome. I only had a problem once, and was able to add some small insulation to prevent freeze up. I've since camped in single digits and high winds, and nothing froze. With the new to me coach, I don't see how I can carry on this tradition. There is no way to fix it, as access is too limited.
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07-24-2018, 06:59 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Iceman-31D
I doubt that you have a "real" 34xb?
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I'm trying to figure out your point in that comment.
Interesting you have done a lot of additional insulation in the wet bay. I'm curious how you get real access to it. I can get to some parts of my wet bay, but there is a lot of it that I can not get to, to insulate. Yes, I have added some insulation, and tried to fill the Swiss cheese with Great Stuff. There is rubber trim around stuff, but the workmanship leaves a lot to be desired. The rubber doesn't do much. There are still holes into the wet bay from the outside. One hole I could put my arm through before I filled it with foam. There are 2 furnaces, both have ductwork into the basement. But it just doesn't keep up with the cold. The biggest problem is the grey tanks block the air flow through the middle of the wet bay. It may be warm enough on either side of the tank, but the middle of the tank freezes, along with the lines running next to the tanks.
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