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Old 01-05-2014, 03:38 PM   #1
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Allegro Bus 45LP

I finally narrowed my search for an RV to the Bus 45LP and the Entegra Anthem 44SL. Past owners of Tiffin products informed me that it is poorly insulated and best suited to conditions above 30 degrees.

The cold weather benefits of the Anthem with floor heat and super insulation makes it very attractive. Plus I have several owner recommendations for the Entegra's comfort in very cold conditions.

Recently I talked with the Tiffin factory, they told me that with the 2014 45LP improvements that the Bus is comparably insulated to the Anthem. Plus I really like the floor plan in the 45LP

I plan to order the electric floor heat with the 45LP. Can anyone tell me from experience concerning the cold weather usefulness of the recent production 45LP. I often travel in sub zero temperatures, and rather than winterize my current coach I leave the heat running set to 45 degrees. Can I do the same with the 45LP? Is the newer production 45 LP that much better insulated?
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Your getting ready to spend a lot of money...my recommendation, given your special needs...visit both factories. Look at the build and insulation approaches. I can attest to Anthem's industry best insulation at this price point. I don't know what "comparable" means, but there are differences in the way the two are constructed. That said, both are nice coaches.

On the other hand, routinely operating in sub-zero temps is going to test any coach's insulation and heating system.

Good luck with your search.
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Old 01-05-2014, 09:56 PM   #3
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We have a 2014 Allegro Bus 45LP and we love it!
We picked it up about three weeks ago and drove straight to Indiana where we encountered 0 degree weather. We had no problems with it. We kept the temperature in the bays well above freezing and ran the fireplace as well as the heat. We do have the heated floors and love this feature as well. I highly recommend it if traveling in cold weather.
We think the floor plan is magnificent. We measured all of the storage space cabinet by cabinet and compared the 45Lp to Entegra, Newmar, Itasca, products. The storage space was much better in the Allegro 45. Since we are full timers, that was an important factor for us. Plus we are in Red Bay now having some additional cabinetry and some cabinet modifications done which will give us even more storage.
Today, I commented to the my husband that I was surprised at how well the TV angle allowed good visibility of the TV from any part of the kitchen, dining, living area. Then I made another even more amazing discovery. Even from the small 1/2 bath if the door is not closed all the way, one has good TV visibility. Important when nature calls during the BIG football game
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We have a 2014 Allegro Bus 45LP and we love it!
We picked it up about three weeks ago and drove straight to Indiana where we encountered 0 degree weather. We had no problems with it. We kept the temperature in the bays well above freezing and ran the fireplace as well as the heat. We do have the heated floors and love this feature as well. I highly recommend it if traveling in cold weather.
We think the floor plan is magnificent. We measured all of the storage space cabinet by cabinet and compared the 45Lp to Entegra, Newmar, Itasca, products. The storage space was much better in the Allegro 45. Since we are full timers, that was an important factor for us. Plus we are in Red Bay now having some additional cabinetry and some cabinet modifications done which will give us even more storage.
Today, I commented to the my husband that I was surprised at how well the TV angle allowed good visibility of the TV from any part of the kitchen, dining, living area. Then I made another even more amazing discovery. Even from the small 1/2 bath if the door is not closed all the way, one has good TV visibility. Important when nature calls during the BIG football game
GET a DVR enough said
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Old 01-15-2014, 12:09 PM   #5
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Thumbs down Not so much.

If you ever plan on extended trips in this RV to the hotter climates beware. This Model has insulation issues especially in the bathroom cabinets and cabinets above the cook top. In fact ALL cabinets that back to an exterior wall. They get HOT HOT HOT as well as the storage space behind the front windshield. Our Satellite system brain was housed in this area and overheated in a mere 80 degree outside temperatures. However we have the 2013 model and I came to learn that this was built one year only...Nice one Tiffin leaving your high paying customers in the crap.

We have seen a 2014 model and can say that the interior storage and insulation issues are probably the same given mostly aesthetic improvements have been made.
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vicratz,

You may not be aware of the fact that most motorhome manufactures do not insulate the forward cap area above the windshield. You can, if you want, easily insulate this area yourself for about $40. You can ask how to do it by posting your question on Tiffin RV Network as others have done it. Your complaint is a common one but easily fixed if you want to spend an hour or so to fix it.

Cabinets that back to an exterior wall all have the same insulation behind them as the regular walls do. They can get hot if in direct sunlight and the cabinet doors are closed (there's no exposure to air conditioning). Again, a problem that is not unique to Tiffin or any other motorhome being built.
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You may not be aware of the fact that most motorhome manufactures do not insulate the forward cap area above the windshield. You can, if you want, easily insulate this area yourself for about $40. You can ask how to do it by posting your question on Tiffin RV Network as others have done it. Your complaint is a common one but easily fixed if you want to spend an hour or so to fix it.

Cabinets that back to an exterior wall all have the same insulation behind them as the regular walls do. They can get hot if in direct sunlight and the cabinet doors are closed (there's no exposure to air conditioning). Again, a problem that is not unique to Tiffin or any other motorhome being built.
We'll for $400,000 I expect a little more than most frankly. It's just poorly thought out.
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You may not be aware of the fact that most motorhome manufactures do not insulate the forward cap area above the windshield. You can, if you want, easily insulate this area yourself for about $40. You can ask how to do it by posting your question on Tiffin RV Network as others have done it. Your complaint is a common one but easily fixed if you want to spend an hour or so to fix it.

Cabinets that back to an exterior wall all have the same insulation behind them as the regular walls do. They can get hot if in direct sunlight and the cabinet doors are closed (there's no exposure to air conditioning). Again, a problem that is not unique to Tiffin or any other motorhome being built.
Not so with the Entegra Anthem as they do insulate the front and rear caps. Here's the R values of the Anthem (does Tiffin even publish R-values?): The over all insulation is Polar Pack insulation with reflective Flexfoil floor (R-33) roof R 24 sidewalls R 16 and the end caps R 22
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Steve and Judy, I would like to ask you more about your Entegra. Could you please send me your email address? Thanks,
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I have owned two Tiffins and now an Entegra Anthem. There is not a Tiffin made that has the insulation the Entegra has. The Entegra walls do not get hot in the cabinets. I don't care which mh you buy, I'm just trying to give you some insight from someone who has owned both, instead of a lot of speculation or hear say. Bob Tiffin is a great guy and they build a lot of motor homes and they have some nice features, but they're certainly not the best built or insulated. I would suggest anyone looking to buy should drive an Entegra.
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Trose, I am unable to read the email you sent to me because the toolbar application one is supposed to download is not compatible with Macs. Please email me at clayton_bob@yahoo.com
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Hard wire Internet 45LP 2013 Allegro Bus to interior

Has anyone hard wired internet useing the service bay cable connections. I have my wifi modem in the service bay and would like to move it to the interior of the coach. Service bay cable hook ups terminate at splitters in rear bedroom would like to find the chase for that and pull another cable.

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Inside front cap is insulated on my 2012 Allegro Bus. From the factory.
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Has anyone hard wired internet useing the service bay cable connections. I have my wifi modem in the service bay and would like to move it to the interior of the coach. Service bay cable hook ups terminate at splitters in rear bedroom would like to find the chase for that and pull another cable.

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send me a message with what you are wanting to do. I use an outdoor access point that is cabled to a Linksys wireless router. I initially was going to run a cable into the coach for the access point connection to the router. I realized that I could leave the router in the service bay and connect via wifi to it. My wife and I both have businesses that we need to access the internet. We each have a laptop and tablet and we have a hp all in one priner/scanner. We hook everything together with the wifi router and have no internet cables at all in the camper
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