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Old 09-28-2014, 10:17 PM   #1
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Brake controller

I have just purchased a 24' enclosed trailer to take all my "toys" with me on longer trips. I have a 2005 Tiffin Allegro Bus 40QDP. Do I need to install a brake controller, or is there a factory one installed already? I know the previous owner towed with a Roadmaster tow bar, but do not see an actual brake controller in the dash.
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Old 09-29-2014, 08:12 AM   #2
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To my knowledge, Tiffin does not install brake controllers. It sounds like the previous owner towed a car which would not require a brake controller. If you are going to tow an enclosed trailer, it most likely has electric brakes and you will need a brake controller for that.
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Old 09-29-2014, 08:34 AM   #3
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I have a 2005 tiffin allegro bus. Mine looks like it came with a brake controller. It is easy to tell if you have one like mine. Look under the dash just to the left of the brake pedal. It will be all the way on the left the bottom of it is 3 inches or so from the floor. It says ACTUATOR electronic brake control.

If you do not have one and do not want to go through the whole wiring thing Tekonsha makes a wireless RF brake control. The control fits on the trailer and has a monitor that is wireless and sits on the dash
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It is not possible for a motor home manufacturer to install a brake controller... WHY you ask?

Well, that trailer will likely have common electric brakes, the kind of thing the Tekonsha P-3 is designed to control (BTW: I recommend Tekonsha products for this task) On this type of controller power is applied via a current limiter (A very small amount of current) to sense if the trailer is attached and then when brakes are applied, the current is increased to apply the brakes.

My Original towed had a US-Gear system with the TC-6000, on this system the controller SENSES when voltage is present (From the towed) and hauls it to ground to apply the brakes,,, The exact opposite of the more common trailer system.

These are but two of the many brake systems out there, but they work opposite of each other, so the MH manufacturer, who can not predict what you will tow, can not install a controller.. You have to do that.
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Flat towing a vehicle behind your coach requires completely different equipment than towing a cargo trailer behind your coach.

The cargo trailer comes with electric brakes on each axle to assist in stopping the trailer. That requires an electronic brake controller.

Chances are your coach has been pre-wired for a brake controller but I doubt that it would come with one unless the previous owner installed one.

Look for the harness either under drivers side of dash or inside the drivers side console.

Not sure where Tiffin may have stuffed it but a call to them would answer that question quickly.

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Old 09-29-2014, 07:02 PM   #6
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It is not possible for a motor home manufacturer to install a brake controller... WHY you ask?

Well, that trailer will likely have common electric brakes, the kind of thing the Tekonsha P-3 is designed to control (BTW: I recommend Tekonsha products for this task) On this type of controller power is applied via a current limiter (A very small amount of current) to sense if the trailer is attached and then when brakes are applied, the current is increased to apply the brakes.

My Original towed had a US-Gear system with the TC-6000, on this system the controller SENSES when voltage is present (From the towed) and hauls it to ground to apply the brakes,,, The exact opposite of the more common trailer system.

These are but two of the many brake systems out there, but they work opposite of each other, so the MH manufacturer, who can not predict what you will tow, can not install a controller.. You have to do that.
I would not say it was impossible to install one. I believe if you look at Ford Trucks and finally Chevrolet and Probably Dodge pickups all come with a brake controller installed at the factory. I do not know if tiffin includes one with their coaches. I do know that mine looks very very much like a factory installation. I do not know for sure but if it was not factory someone did a very good job. I know where my coach was bought new and I know they could not have done that good a job installing it.

The OP can look where mine is and see if he has one there. If he does then he is good to go. It really does not matter who installed it just that it is there.
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Thank you all very much for your great response, Tiffin does prewire, and it is being put on as we speak.
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Just for my curiosity. You did not have one from the factory. Did you look where I said mine was ?
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Thank you all very much for your great response, Tiffin does prewire, and it is being put on as we speak.
Just curious, where did you find the front end of the harness? I've been crawling around under the dash of our 2009 Phaeton and haven't been able to find anything. I assume I'm looking for a 4 wire harness with the blue brake wire.
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