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11-12-2018, 06:19 PM
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Junior Member
Tiffin Owners Club
Join Date: Oct 2018
Location: YUCAIPA, CA
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CA registration
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Anyone purchasing an RV out of CA be aware of the following:
I purchased a Tiffin Phaeton 40AH last Sept (2018) from Lazydays RV in Tampa, FL. I was treaded very good and was very happy with their delivery. They registered the coach in Fl with temporary registration until 10-10-2018 as a 2019 year model. All the paper work indicates the coach to be a 2019.
I traveled back to CA via Red Bay at the Tiffin Factory.
When I arrived back in CA, I went to the DMV to register the coach.
CA DMV then told me the coach is a 2018 and not a 2019. I showed them all the paper work, insurance, etc.., all indicating the coach to be a 2019.
I contacted the dealer and Tiffin both telling me it is a 2019. Tiffin even mailed a letter or certificate stating the coach to be a 2019.
Well, CA DMV refused to accept that. They were standing by what the VIN # indicates which in fact indicates 2018.
Well the problem is that the VIN# belongs to the chassy. Tiffin says the chassy is actually an incomplete vehicle. Therefore the coach is to be registered as a 2019 and is sold as such. However, CA does not accept serial # and only goes by VIN #.
Great, I bought a supposed to be 2019 coach and can only register in CA as a 2018. Further, they also want me to pay $12,000.00 for tax and license plares.
So, what to do??? Any suggestions would be appreciated.
Guido / Blue Knight
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11-12-2018, 07:05 PM
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Now you know why families are fleeing this state by the droves. If DMV does not except Tiffin's documents along with your out of state Registration, your pretty much stuck. They want your money and will take it without even a smile.
A friend bought a low mileage corvette out of state and DMV gave him a very hard time. It wasn't until he wrote a letter to Schwarzenegger, he was able to get some movement. Of course Arnold was a car guy. Moonbeam, not so much.
I know this wasn't helpful, but hope this helps others contemplating a purchase out state.
DMV is merely a collection agency for the state.
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11-12-2018, 07:10 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: May 2018
Location: From California currently traveling this great country.
Posts: 275
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How soon can you relocate ?
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11-12-2018, 07:10 PM
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Senior Member
Fleetwood Owners Club Ford Super Duty Owner
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: SoCal
Posts: 15,749
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Go to a good indepentant registration service. I never use the DMV. I use Barbs registration service in Escondido.
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2011 Tiffin Phaeton 40QTH (Cummins ISC/Freightliner)
Flat towing a modified 2005 Jeep (Rubicon Wrangler)
Previously a 2002 Fleetwood Pace Arrow 37A and a 1995 Safari Trek 2830.
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11-12-2018, 07:20 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: May 2018
Location: From California currently traveling this great country.
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OrAAA
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11-12-2018, 09:55 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2010
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How long have you lived here? You make it sound like the sales tax was a suprise, yet everyone here knows yo pay the sales tax of your county regardless of where you buy the vehicle, even if you buy a used one from out of state.
Why are you so bent out of shape over 18 vs 19? As an 18 you'll pay less insurance and less for plates.
The DMV doesn't give people a hard time unless you try to put something over on them. They just follow the rules, and my experience (at least in a small town) is that the will explain the rules and point you to the documentation.
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11-12-2018, 10:06 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Los Angeles, CA
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They go by the VIN. What else do you think they are going to go by?
The guy down the street just brought the exact motorhome back from the manufacturer last week. I am going to ask him what year model VIN he has.
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11-12-2018, 10:29 PM
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Senior Member
Country Coach Owners Club Solo Rvers Club iRV2 No Limits Club
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Vancouver, WA
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Federal rules require the vehicle to be registered by what the completed vehicle manufacturer says the model year is and not by the chassis vin #.
Check the RVIA website for more info and possible help.
Sales/use tax is something to consider when buying a rig. We coughed up over $25,000 to register the CC as a 6 yr old used rig after the trade was deducted.
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11-12-2018, 10:53 PM
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Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: Chicago Metro
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr_D
Federal rules require the vehicle to be registered by what the completed vehicle manufacturer says the model year is and not by the chassis vin #...
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CA is famous for ignoring federal laws. why should this be any different.
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11-12-2018, 11:15 PM
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Join Date: Jun 2018
Location: Los Angeles area
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I learned my lesson on CA DMV when I bought a car from a friend in Arizona. signed did the bill of sale, I drove it back to CA.
The next day I went to the local DMV office and registered it.
The office charged me sales tax - an additional $460 that I didn't expect. It turned out that if my friend had backdated the bill of sale by 91 days or more it would have been tax free.
And if you think Governor Moonbeam was bad just wait until his replacement takes office.
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11-13-2018, 12:02 AM
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Member
Tiffin Owners Club
Join Date: Nov 2016
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We had an unusual VIN experience after buying a used Allegro Bus and registering it in CA. I noticed a letter from Tiffin saying the VIN was not correct. Seems that they (Tiffin) had not updated the VIN after the coach was manufactured. There is a VIN for the chassis that is supposed to be updated after the coach has been assembled - only changes a couple of digits.
I was going to go thru the process to update the VIN, but after talking with to the DMV and taking the coach to the local CHP and realizing that the engine ECU would need to be changed as well, I decided to leave things as they are.
No issue with the model year, but now I guess I need to check...
Maybe my coach is a year younger [emoji849]
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11-13-2018, 11:17 PM
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Junior Member
Tiffin Owners Club
Join Date: Oct 2018
Location: YUCAIPA, CA
Posts: 9
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CA Registration
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr_D
Federal rules require the vehicle to be registered by what the completed vehicle manufacturer says the model year is and not by the chassis vin #.
Check the RVIA website for more info and possible help.
Sales/use tax is something to consider when buying a rig. We coughed up over $25,000 to register the CC as a 6 yr old used rig after the trade was deducted.
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Yes, indeed so. However, CA does not accept that. They go by VIN# only, which is the Chassy#. The completed coach has a Serial #, and CA does not accept that.
Thanks for the info.
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11-13-2018, 11:25 PM
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Junior Member
Tiffin Owners Club
Join Date: Oct 2018
Location: YUCAIPA, CA
Posts: 9
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Tiffin provided me with a letter or certificate stating that the VIN# belongs to the Chassy and is an incomplete vehicle. After the RV is complete, Tiffin gives it a serial #. Most DMV's in most states accept the serial #. However, CA does not and goes only by VIN#.
Therefore, the chassy is a 2018 and the completed RV has a serial # for 2019.
My only solutions is to register in another state, but that requires an address.
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11-13-2018, 11:31 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Oct 2010
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once again, why is your only solution to register in another state, and why are you so bent out of shape over '18 vs '19?
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