RV Trip Planning Discussions

Go Back   iRV2 Forums > THE OWNER'S CORNER FORUMS > Tiffin Owner's Forum
Click Here to Login

Join iRV2 Today

Mission Statement: Supporting thoughtful exchange of knowledge, values and experience among RV enthusiasts.
Reply
  This discussion is proudly sponsored by:
Please support our sponsors and let them know you heard about their products on iRV2
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 04-22-2019, 03:11 PM   #1
Community Administrator
 
NLOVNIT's Avatar


 
Tiffin Owners Club
Pond Piggies Club
LA Gulf Coast Campers
Outdoors RV Owners Club
Entegra Owners Club
Join Date: Mar 2002
Posts: 27,431
Blog Entries: 1
Can't add a hard-wired PI?

So, our Phaeton comes with the Surge Guard 41260 transfer switch that has some protection:
  • Limited protection from faulty park power (not sure what "limited" means)
  • Power surges
  • Open neutral
  • Reverse polarity

But it doesn't have the full protection of the PI's that we've had on every one of our RV's:
  • Over/under protection
  • Open ground
  • Miswired pedestal indicator
  • Accidental 240V protection
  • AC frequency protection

So I asked the tech at our PDI if we could install the PI & he stated it isn't compatible with the Surge Guard unit. He suggested Hughes Autoformer, which I'm assuming is THIS ONE (they also have a portable just like PI does).

I've trusted PI with our RV's for nearly 20 years & am skeptical of a unit I've not heard of. But I want the extra protection.

What have you other Tiffin owners used for your power protection?

Thanks!
Lori-
__________________

__________________
Lori & Dave - FMCA #F419886 | RV/MH Hall of Fame Lifetime Member
2018 Phaeton 40IH & 2014 CRV EX-L AWD, My iRV2 Photo Albums
"Complaining about a problem without proposing a solution is called whining." Theodore Roosevelt
NLOVNIT is offline   Reply With Quote
Join the #1 RV Forum Today - It's Totally Free!

iRV2.com RV Community - Are you about to start a new improvement on your RV or need some help with some maintenance? Do you need advice on what products to buy? Or maybe you can give others some advice? No matter where you fit in you'll find that iRV2 is a great community to join. Best of all it's totally FREE!

You are currently viewing our boards as a guest so you have limited access to our community. Please take the time to register and you will gain a lot of great new features including; the ability to participate in discussions, network with other RV owners, see fewer ads, upload photographs, create an RV blog, send private messages and so much, much more!

Old 04-22-2019, 03:24 PM   #2
Senior Member
 
Lt Dan's Avatar


 
Tiffin Owners Club
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: DFW, Texas
Posts: 3,092
Quote:
Originally Posted by NLOVNIT View Post
So I asked the tech at our PDI if we could install the PI & he stated it isn't compatible with the Surge Guard unit. He suggested Hughes Autoformer, which I'm assuming is THIS ONE (they also have a portable just like PI does)

What have you other Tiffin owners used for your power protection?
Thanks!
Lori-
I have no idea what he's talking about. I have a HW50 PI unit with our Surge Guard transfer switch and it's perfectly compatible. The PI will not interfere with the transfer switch at all and is just a first line of defense. Your transfer switch does have more capability than mine due to the RVC communication with the Spyder system, but the PI will not interfere with it.

By the way, due to the limited space in the power bay, I found the best place to install mine was in the bay in front of the power reel next to the transfer switch. There's lots of extra 6ga wire bundled up in the "ceiling" of that bay. That is unless they've moved the transfer switch from our '17 model.
__________________

__________________
Dan & Ro with two Rescued Boston "Terrorists" Jade & Jewel
2017 Phaeton 40IH Maroon Coral - Power Glide Chassis with IFS (05/17)
Previously '15 Tiffin Allegro RED 38QRA and '06 Itasca Sunrise 35A
'12 Jeep JK Wrangler Sport or '08 Honda Goldwing
Lt Dan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-22-2019, 03:26 PM   #3
Senior Member
 
curtsr's Avatar
 
Tiffin Owners Club
Join Date: Nov 2014
Posts: 305
I have a 2016 Phaeton with the same Surge Guard transfer switch. First thing I did was to install a PI
Quote:
Originally Posted by NLOVNIT View Post
So, our Phaeton comes with the Surge Guard 41260 transfer switch that has some protection:
  • Limited protection from faulty park power (not sure what "limited" means)
  • Power surges
  • Open neutral
  • Reverse polarity

But it doesn't have the full protection of the PI's that we've had on every one of our RV's:
  • Over/under protection
  • Open ground
  • Miswired pedestal indicator
  • Accidental 240V protection
  • AC frequency protection

So I asked the tech at our PDI if we could install the PI & he stated it isn't compatible with the Surge Guard unit. He suggested Hughes Autoformer, which I'm assuming is THIS ONE (they also have a portable just like PI does).

I've trusted PI with our RV's for nearly 20 years & am skeptical of a unit I've not heard of. But I want the extra protection.

What have you other Tiffin owners used for your power protection?

Thanks!
Lori-
I have a 2016 Phaeton with the same Surge Guard transfer switch. First thing I did was to install a hard wired PI EMS-LCHW50 surge protector. Know several other Tiffin owners that use the same surge protector. Placed mine between the transfer switch and the cable reel. Saved me twice already due to low campground voltage.
curtsr is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-22-2019, 03:36 PM   #4
Senior Member
 
vsheetz's Avatar


 
Fleetwood Owners Club
Ford Super Duty Owner
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: SoCal
Posts: 14,130
Many of us have that combination. Works very well and is typically highly recommended. Your PDI tech is, well, unknowing in this area.
__________________
Vince and Susan
2011 Tiffin Phaeton 40QTH (Cummins ISC/Freightliner)
Flat towing a modified 2005 Jeep (Rubicon Wrangler)
Previously a 2002 Fleetwood Pace Arrow 37A and a 1995 Safari Trek 2830.
vsheetz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-22-2019, 05:10 PM   #5
Community Administrator
 
NLOVNIT's Avatar


 
Tiffin Owners Club
Pond Piggies Club
LA Gulf Coast Campers
Outdoors RV Owners Club
Entegra Owners Club
Join Date: Mar 2002
Posts: 27,431
Blog Entries: 1
Thanks, guys, SO much. I knew you'd know. I realize my tech does hundreds of walk-thrus a year & I'm sure it's hard to keep straight all the nuances of every coach.

Tiffin did move its location. It's in a PS bay & if I remember correctly, it's right beside the Intervac unit, on the right wall about a third of the way in. Dave's installed all our other PI's so he'll take a look at where it is & see if there's any slack in the wiring. At least this one he won't have to take out wardrobe drawers, laying on his side in less than 12" of space between the bed & the wardrobe/reaching through drawer openings, like it was in our Bounder. That was 13 years ago & contorting to get at that was hard even back then.

Lori-
__________________
Lori & Dave - FMCA #F419886 | RV/MH Hall of Fame Lifetime Member
2018 Phaeton 40IH & 2014 CRV EX-L AWD, My iRV2 Photo Albums
"Complaining about a problem without proposing a solution is called whining." Theodore Roosevelt
NLOVNIT is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-22-2019, 05:35 PM   #6
Senior Member
 
Lt Dan's Avatar


 
Tiffin Owners Club
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: DFW, Texas
Posts: 3,092
Quote:
Originally Posted by NLOVNIT View Post
Thanks, guys, SO much. I knew you'd know. I realize my tech does hundreds of walk-thrus a year & I'm sure it's hard to keep straight all the nuances of every coach.
Tiffin did move its location. It's in a PS bay & if I remember correctly, it's right beside the Intervac unit, on the right wall about a third of the way in. Dave's installed all our other PI's so he'll take a look at where it is & see if there's any slack in the wiring. At least this one he won't have to take out wardrobe drawers, laying on his side in less than 12" of space between the bed & the wardrobe/reaching through drawer openings, like it was in our Bounder. That was 13 years ago & contorting to get at that was hard even back then.
Lori-
That's in the same place as our '17. If he'll look up in the top of the basement, there should be a coil of wire from the cord reel. Apparently they don't cut off the excess, just coil it up. I bought a wire to use as a jumper on mine, then found there would have been plenty to cut off about three feet to use. Below is where I put mine, then put the remote display over by the door on the other side where I can see it when connecting.
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	PI-40IH.jpg
Views:	50
Size:	116.0 KB
ID:	243161  
__________________
Dan & Ro with two Rescued Boston "Terrorists" Jade & Jewel
2017 Phaeton 40IH Maroon Coral - Power Glide Chassis with IFS (05/17)
Previously '15 Tiffin Allegro RED 38QRA and '06 Itasca Sunrise 35A
'12 Jeep JK Wrangler Sport or '08 Honda Goldwing
Lt Dan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-22-2019, 05:52 PM   #7
Community Administrator
 
NLOVNIT's Avatar


 
Tiffin Owners Club
Pond Piggies Club
LA Gulf Coast Campers
Outdoors RV Owners Club
Entegra Owners Club
Join Date: Mar 2002
Posts: 27,431
Blog Entries: 1
Awesome, Dan! I hope we've got the same coil of extra cord up top.

L-
__________________
Lori & Dave - FMCA #F419886 | RV/MH Hall of Fame Lifetime Member
2018 Phaeton 40IH & 2014 CRV EX-L AWD, My iRV2 Photo Albums
"Complaining about a problem without proposing a solution is called whining." Theodore Roosevelt
NLOVNIT is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-22-2019, 06:02 PM   #8
Member
 
Ddjay's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2017
Posts: 95
Oooooo, whatís in the box from Tiffin?
__________________
2016 Subaru Crosstrek
2019 Tiffin Allegro Open Road 32 SA.
Ddjay is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-22-2019, 09:48 PM   #9
Senior Member
 
Lt Dan's Avatar


 
Tiffin Owners Club
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: DFW, Texas
Posts: 3,092
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ddjay View Post
Oooooo, whatís in the box from Tiffin?
Replacement wiper blades trying to cure the windshield slap in the wind, but that's a whole other story.
__________________
Dan & Ro with two Rescued Boston "Terrorists" Jade & Jewel
2017 Phaeton 40IH Maroon Coral - Power Glide Chassis with IFS (05/17)
Previously '15 Tiffin Allegro RED 38QRA and '06 Itasca Sunrise 35A
'12 Jeep JK Wrangler Sport or '08 Honda Goldwing
Lt Dan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-13-2019, 09:35 PM   #10
Community Administrator
 
NLOVNIT's Avatar


 
Tiffin Owners Club
Pond Piggies Club
LA Gulf Coast Campers
Outdoors RV Owners Club
Entegra Owners Club
Join Date: Mar 2002
Posts: 27,431
Blog Entries: 1
TA DA!

DH got the PI installed! Right now the remote display is just laying in the bottom of that bay. You can see the wire coiled up above the transfer case. Will work on snaking that over to the DS side later.

Lori-
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	PI Install.jpg
Views:	22
Size:	211.6 KB
ID:	245881  
__________________
Lori & Dave - FMCA #F419886 | RV/MH Hall of Fame Lifetime Member
2018 Phaeton 40IH & 2014 CRV EX-L AWD, My iRV2 Photo Albums
"Complaining about a problem without proposing a solution is called whining." Theodore Roosevelt
NLOVNIT is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-13-2019, 11:30 PM   #11
Senior Member
 
jkorn's Avatar
 
Tiffin Owners Club
Join Date: May 2018
Posts: 129
Hey guys, I give up. What is a PI?
__________________
Jeff Korn
2014 Tiffin Allegro Bus 40SP, 450HP
2015 Jeep GC, Air Force 1, Roadmaster Nighthawk
jkorn is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 05-14-2019, 01:57 AM   #12
Senior Member
 
rockriver's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2017
Location: south
Posts: 337
P.I.

i feel inferior to answer a question that dan is involved in!!
i've sure learned a lot from many folks here and he's on the top list.

PI stands for Progressive Industries and is a more complete "surge protector"
these guys have fancier phaetons and i have a little gasser, and i'm a newbie, but highly recommend this modification... regardless which size MH folks have!

i forgot all the model numbers but a PI 50 amp has already saved me a wad of money... i plugged in the camper and the Progressive unit would not allow power to go to the coach... my wife was anxious to get the air conditioners cranked up... i did not get the unit with the separate monitor... saved a few dollars...
so i knelt down and watched the small screen on the unit itself... it cycled through each leg (side) of the incoming electricity... L! worked fine... L2 did not... so... no power to coach...

some corrections were made (i'm not savvy enough to explain) and progressive unit then allowed power to the coach... yahoo....
rockriver is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-14-2019, 06:59 AM   #13
Senior Member
 
cavie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2018
Posts: 1,238
Just trying to clear things up a little. Surge Protector is a generic term for a one use electric device. EMS is a multi use device. The two are totally different devices. Progress Industries is the brand name of many different devices. Surge Guard is the Brand Name of many different devices.

Please do not call an EMS a surge protector. It is a multi use device that happens to include surge protection.

A surge protector is just that. Surge protection only.
__________________
27' Wildcat 5th wheel. Port Charlotte Fl/Hinsdale MA. Retired Master Electrician. All Motorhomes are RV's. All RV's are not Motorhomes.
cavie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-14-2019, 07:14 AM   #14
WiFiRanger Ambassador
 
docj's Avatar
Official iRV2 Sponsor
 
Join Date: May 2011
Posts: 5,119
Quote:
Originally Posted by cavie View Post
Surge Protector is a generic term for a one use electric device. EMS is a multi use device. The two are totally different devices. Progress Industries is the brand name of many different devices. Surge Guard is the Brand Name of many different devices.
To try to be very clear about this, both Progressive and SurgeGuard sell significantly less expensive devices that are just surge suppressors. The indiscriminate use of that term to apply to both surge suppressors and EMS's can be very confusing to people for whom all of this is new information.

If you want any evidence of this, you ought to spend some time on the Facebook RV groups where the overall knowledge level is significantly less than on these forums. There the confusion between surge suppressors and EMS's runs rampant!
__________________

__________________
Joel Weiss--WiFiRanger RV Ambassador
RVParkReviews administrator
2000 40' Beaver Patriot Thunder Princeton CAT C-12
docj is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply



Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Can I add a can of R-134 till I can get it fixed? kiethco Monaco Owner's Forum 24 08-16-2015 08:11 AM
Can we go yet, Can we go yet, Can we go yet, Can we go yet, Can we go yet mothgrey Class A Motorhome Discussions 9 11-18-2013 04:51 PM
Progressive 50 amp hard wired yudamann Gear and Product Discussions 21 02-03-2010 04:12 AM
TST Tire Pressure Monitor Hard Wired ? hardy1000 MH-General Discussions & Problems 10 11-08-2009 01:46 PM

» Featured Campgrounds

Reviews provided by


Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 04:47 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.