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Delamination
08-06-2009, 08:15 AM
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Tiffin Owners Club
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I have a bubble under the passenger window. does anybody know the best glue to use to reattach the fiberglass, plywood, styrofoam and aluminum?
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08-06-2009, 11:10 AM
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Welcome to iRV2.
The delamination is most often caused by water intrusion (leaks). First and foremost is to get the leaks stopped.
If the area is small enough, you might try completely removing the window and gain access to the area. Use a glue that is compatible with your insulation and clamp the area with some wood and large C-clamps. reinstall the window with new butyl tape.
Some people have tried drilling a couple of small holes and injecting a glue in the area and clamping by bracing to a wall to flatten the area out.
Ken
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08-07-2009, 02:02 AM
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Damon Owners Club Workhorse Chassis Owner
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Some glues will melt and dissolve styrene, so if using a glue, test it first.
Fiberglass resin will adhere to wood, styrene and fiberglass.
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08-07-2009, 08:39 AM
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I'd give Tiffin a call. Their customer service is suppose to be top-notch. At the least, probably know what materials to use for repairing the damage.
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08-07-2009, 11:59 AM
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Tiffin Owners Club
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I have already removed the window so it can dry out. there was a tight seal around the window so i dont know how the water got in. i'll have a welding shop make a deep throat c-clamp. the plan is to drill from the inside and inject glue and clamp. i'll work from the bottom to the top a little at a time.there isn't any visible styrene to test on. 2004 bus is 9 month out of warranty so tiffin wants $3000. to fix. after all i've heard about how great the service and warranty is, I'm really disappointed in the company.
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08-07-2009, 05:47 PM
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Texas Boomers Club Fleetwood Owners Club Freightliner Owners Club
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A 2004 is 9 months out of Warranty???? Tiffin gives a five year warranty? That in itself is great customer service. Do any other mfg give a five year warranty? I've known of owners with a 13 month old coach that the mafg says sorry.
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08-08-2009, 07:31 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bakdraf
.... 2004 bus is 9 month out of warranty so tiffin wants $3000. to fix. after all i've heard about how great the service and warranty is, I'm really disappointed in the company.
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You're kidding right?
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08-08-2009, 08:17 AM
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I had a Pace Arrow with bad delamination issues and Fleetwood would graciously fix it for $3000 per side...coach delivered to their factory with a cashiers check for the money...it was 3 years old.
My old trailer does not leak and there is no delamination after 30 years on the road.
Ken
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08-13-2009, 10:35 PM
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I'd call and ask to talk to Bob he has been known to override his staff. He SUPPOSEDLY fixed delamination in a much older rig for free.
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08-15-2009, 12:56 PM
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Tiffin Owners Club
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I met with Bob and he said if it was under warranty he would fix it. I've heard the same storys about repairs out of warranty and that was a factor in buying the Tiffin.
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08-15-2009, 03:22 PM
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I guess I must be missing something. I don't know of a manufaturer of any product that will do warranty work on a product that is out of warranty, especially a five year old mh. Take a 5 year old Caddy to a dealer with the paint bubbling and watch him laugh you off the dealership when you talk about warranty repairs. BTW...$3000 to repair your delamination problem is a deal. You better get to them before you make them mad and he tells you to get it done elsewhere at probably twice the price.
On the other hand, my 28 year old roof shingle s or beginning to crack. They did have a warranty so I guess I'll be getting in touch with Owens Corning. They are only out of warranty by 3 years.
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08-15-2009, 03:37 PM
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Jim, we had the Pace Arrow and was offered to fix it for $3000 per side at the factory in about 1992 or 1993. In any case I turned it over to my insurance company and they would pay to have it fixed here in Houston....not Indiana. For the cost of my deductible, it was fixed...the bill to this insurance company was a bit over $19,000. They had to pull some interior paneling and fix rusted steel structure.
Ken
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08-16-2009, 10:05 AM
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Tiffin Owners Club
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Thanks Jim. I expected a few smart a** remarks. All I wanted to know was what kind of glue to use...For everybody else that tried to be helpful, I am going to use west marine glue. It will adhere to the aluminum,stryene,wood and fiberglass.
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08-16-2009, 10:20 AM
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And once you found out what glue to use, you started running down Tiffins warranty on a 2004 MH. I'm glad you decided which glue you needed. I certainly didn't mean to be a smart alec, it just bothers me when anyone runs down customer service that in my opion is unjustified.
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