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Old 09-23-2017, 06:49 PM   #1
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? Phaeton 40QBH questions

We are in the market for a new coach and our last man standing is the Tiffin Phaeton 40QBH. So my questions to you QBH owners are: What option(s) do you wish you had ordered? What option(s) do you regret ordering? What do you consider as the "best" part of the QBH? Do you think there is a "bad" (poor design, in wrong place, or just could be improved) part of the QBH?

Since we can not find a QBH to walk the floorplan ourselves, we are hoping for some honest opinions from current owners.
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Old 09-23-2017, 10:52 PM   #2
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? Phaeton 40QBH questions

We have a 2017 (8/2016 build) from a StLouis dealers lot. It came with some extras. King bed (opt) and live it. Dishwasher (opt) that we never use. Just two of us. We have the workstation floor plan. All the kitchen, workstation/dinette, bedroom, and bathroom counters are corian material which is beautiful but scratches easily. We wish they were Cambria material (man made with quartz) which is non-porous and harder than granite. Diamond is harder but not by much. DW wishes there was more of a glove box type storage on her side of the dash rather than the computer slide out thingie that is never used. Front TV is never used. I could see changing that out for additional storage. They say itís pre-wired for solar, but itís only 10ga wire from roof to battery area. Not heavy enough for anything serious. Other than those few things, overall weíre very satisfied with the 1.5 bath layout. Got it with 400 miles, currently has ~10,000 miles. Owned about a year.
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Old 09-24-2017, 05:00 AM   #3
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Les & Pam,
Thanks for your reply. We also thought the passenger computer tray was a bit hokey. We have Corian in our current coach and we agree, looks nice but scratches real easy. Noticed in your signature "all electric", are you happy with the Aqua Hot? My gut tells me to avoid over-ticking the plumbing.

OK, gotta ask the loaded question, what is your average fuel economy? We have an 08 Expedition with the little 6.7L Cummins (no DEF) over the 25K miles we have put on her, we average 8.5 mpg. I would imagine the ISL would get about the same.
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We have a 2016 40 QBH built December 2015, have 15k miles on it. Average 8.5-9 mpg towing with generator and a/c running. Love the 1 1/2 baths especially when we have visitors. We didn't want an all electric coach so we have propane and glad we did. No oven or dishwasher so we have extra cabinet space. We opted for the sofas 1 jackknife and 1 sofa sleeper. Wish the main tv was mounted on the side of the coach instead of by the refrigerator. We like and use the front tv all the time. We added seat belts to the dinette for grand kids. We have the in motion satellite and works great on the road but had to get a tripod dish when parking under trees. I recommend pre wire for traveler dish if you get the in motion. Overall we a very satisfied with our 40 QBH and had very few issues with it. Best wishes and safe travels.
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We have a 2016 40 QBH built December 2015, have 15k miles on it. Average 8.5-9 mpg towing with generator and a/c running. Love the 1 1/2 baths especially when we have visitors. We didn't want an all electric coach so we have propane and glad we did. No oven or dishwasher so we have extra cabinet space. We opted for the sofas 1 jackknife and 1 sofa sleeper. Wish the main tv was mounted on the side of the coach instead of by the refrigerator. We like and use the front tv all the time. We added seat belts to the dinette for grand kids. We have the in motion satellite and works great on the road but had to get a tripod dish when parking under trees. I recommend pre wire for traveler dish if you get the in motion. Overall we a very satisfied with our 40 QBH and had very few issues with it. Best wishes and safe travels.
Thanks for the reply CurtSr,

I agree with you on the propane option and the additional kitchen storage space without the oven and dishwasher. Our current spec'd unit would have the theater seating on one side and the other would have the sofa/air mattress with the TV on the lift behind the sofa. Newmar has been doing this arrangement for years and it is great for entertaining or just kicking back and watching some TV.

In our current rig we never bothered to get the dish turned on. So I might have to consider the pre-wire for the traveler, since we are planning on some trips out west where over-the-air TV reception might not be to good.

Wow, that is great fuel economy! I know my little Cummins is working hard to push our rig down the road. A bigger engine just isn't working as hard.

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One of the first things we did was get rid of the recliner, very uncomfortable and clunky. The dog sleeps there now next removed the computer board for lack of a better word. Put in a piece of matching wood to cover the top hole and use the small cabinet for storage.
The half bath is too small and I am not a big guy. Of course the DW has the full bath in the rear.
We deleted the overhead Tv and did not get the outside Tv either. Two TVs are enough.
Out lifetime mileage is about 9mpg right now with a little over 30k on the MH.
We have enjoyed this MH but.....am trying to convince the DW we need a bus
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Noticed in your signature "all electric", are you happy with the Aqua Hot?


OK, gotta ask the loaded question, what is your average fuel economy? We have an 08 Expedition with the little 6.7L Cummins (no DEF) over the 25K miles we have put on her, we average 8.5 mpg. I would imagine the ISL would get about the same.
We are very happy with the AquaHot. When we plug in, we turn on electric water heater. When shower time or dish time, itís hot enough. If we need hot water quickly, we hit the gas water heater (diesel in this case) and wait about 15 minutes. Plenty hot by then, then gas heater gets turned off. When youíre going down the road, the engine is tied into the AquaHot system to supply hot water for your needs while rolling or short stops. Lastly, and we have NOT used this feature, you can hit the gas water heater and engine pre-heat and wait 1 hour (per manual). This will bring the engine temp from mid 30s to >100 degrees before starting the engine. A warmed engine saves wear when starting.


Yep. About the same. We are averaging 8-9. Pulling the Jeep Wrangler, up hills, down hills, flats, whatever. Always seems the same. After attending Freightliner class, they said the Cummins engines have different programming that kicks in after 20K miles that MAY improve fuel economy. Key word there. Iím currently sitting at 9,500 miles.
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One of the first things we did was get rid of the recliner, very uncomfortable and clunky. The dog sleeps there now next removed the computer board for lack of a better word. Put in a piece of matching wood to cover the top hole and use the small cabinet for storage.
The half bath is too small and I am not a big guy. Of course the DW has the full bath in the rear.
We deleted the overhead Tv and did not get the outside Tv either. Two TVs are enough.
Out lifetime mileage is about 9mpg right now with a little over 30k on the MH.
We have enjoyed this MH but.....am trying to convince the DW we need a bus
Since we both traded our Vista 35's for the QBH's around the same time, I could ask my DW to call yours .
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We currently have a 2016 Allegro Red 38 QRA. Our next coach will either be the QBH or the SP bus. To those with the heated floor option...are you happy with it. We live in WA state and it doesn't get super cold where we travel to. Do you feel it was a worthwhile option ? Any maintenance required or issues ?
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We currently have a 2016 Allegro Red 38 QRA. Our next coach will either be the QBH or the SP bus. To those with the heated floor option...are you happy with it. We live in WA state and it doesn't get super cold where we travel to. Do you feel it was a worthwhile option ? Any maintenance required or issues ?
Rodney,

This is probably more of a personal choice than anything. Either way, you may want to start your own thread asking as there are things you do want to know about the heated floor... improper wiring/crimping in the past. If you don't already know about it, there is already a lot of information posted over on the Tiffin Motorhome Network (TRVN).
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We currently have a 2016 Allegro Red 38 QRA. Our next coach will either be the QBH or the SP bus. To those with the heated floor option...are you happy with it. We live in WA state and it doesn't get super cold where we travel to. Do you feel it was a worthwhile option ? Any maintenance required or issues ?


Briefly, we have the heated floor and itís great. No problems to date. Currently on our way back from West Yellowstone. Had 4 inches of snow and the cold front has been following us going east. When plugged in, we put the floors on #3 (outta 5). After awhile, while coach is toasty warm. Overnight, we put them on #2. One caution: donít lay anything like pillows or piles of clothes on the floor while on. It gets HOT underneath those items. We have a couple thin rugs down and theyíre ok. Some have said the pillows and such may harm the sensors. We just noticed it gets really hot under them so we donít do it.
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DW loves it

You dont even know the heated floors are on

Shes happy Im Happy
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Thanks for all the replies, very encouraging. Now if we can just lock down a deal.
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