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Old 12-18-2014, 03:50 PM   #1
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Phaeton VS Red pricing.

We are looking at a used 2013 Phaeton 36gh and a used 2014 Allegro Red 33AA and would appreciate comments and recommendations regarding these two motorhomes. The Phaeton is listed for a supposedly firm price of $174.995.00 and the Red is more negotiable and listed for $169,995.00. Using past price sheets it seems that the MSRP of the Phaeton in 2013 with options would be approximately $269,750.00. With a discount of 27% the price would have been $196,198.00. This would be a depreciation of $21,923.00. The RED's MSRP would have been approximately $232,798.99. With a discount of 27% the price would be $169,943.00. Thus the depreciation would only be $52.00. Both coaches are at a dealer in the Dallas, TX area.

I know I'm not comparing apples to apples. We are just trying to get a handle on what might be a fair price. We are a little concerned about the short wheelbase of the 33AA and how it will handle crosswinds and are leaning towards the Phaeton but either will most likely meet our requirements.

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Old 12-18-2014, 08:04 PM   #2
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I've never driven a Phaeton, we have an almost new 33aa. I don't think you can go wrong either way. Have you driven those particular rv's? Do you have a favorite floor plan? How much time will you spend inside?

We love the size of our 33aa and didn't want larger. We added solar so we could stay in state parks. So think about your style of RVing . Also I don't know of anyone who got a new 33aa for 169000, more like 185000.

As far as face value years later, take into account the 2014 may lose less depreciation, because it's newer, something people don't usually calculate into the numbers game. And note if there is any warranty left on the 2014, as that's a big plus.

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Old 12-19-2014, 09:11 AM   #3
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I can't imagine there is a lot of difference in road handling of both are on freightliner chassis. We live on a Phaeton 36qsh and love it. Interior appointments are an upgrade from the RED and that is in the price. Determine your style of RVing, long trips or shorter trips, see which floor plan makes you more comfortable and check with your wallet then decide, can't really go wrong with either.
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Both are very nice MH models. Does either model have service records available?

Without having more details, the Phaeton is a much better deal.
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Lots of difference as to chassis and engine. Red is Cummins ISB, 660 torque. Phaeton is ISL, 1080 torque and raised rail chassis.
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Old 12-19-2014, 04:48 PM   #6
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The Phaeton has approximately 22,500. The RED has about 5,000. Seems like a lot for the Phaeton.
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Old 12-19-2014, 05:53 PM   #7
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Lots of difference as to chassis and engine. Red is Cummins ISB, 660 torque. Phaeton is ISL, 1080 torque and raised rail chassis.
The 2013 36' Phaeton had an ISC engine...not an ISL. Only the 42' Phaetons had the ISL. Plus the ISL has 1250 torque....not 1080.

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The Phaeton is certainly a step up from the RED and worth more money, but Tiffin put puts a lot of usable features into the RED, so except for some luxury items, you really wouldn't miss much IMHO. The biggest kicker is that the RED can only tow up to 5K pounds, where the Phaeton is rated for 10K, plus or minus. My only issue with the dealer is that he is asking too much for the RED. Should be down in the $150s.
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A RED 36 owner told me his RED was a "nightmare" to drive and he ended up selling it and buying a Phaeton. I've also been told that LOA to wheelbase ratio of less than 50% doesn't handle crosswinds well. Believe the RED 33 is about 47%. However, others have said no problems with the shorter wheelbase. Just depends on one's opinion. I appreciate everyone's input.
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The 2013 36' Phaeton had an ISC engine...not an ISL. Only the 42' Phaetons had the ISL. Plus the ISL has 1250 torque....not 1080.

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So glad you went out of your way to correct me. I quoted the Tiffin current website so your right. Anyway, the chassis and engine differences are big.
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So glad you went out of your way to correct me. I quoted the Tiffin current website so your right. Anyway, the chassis and engine differences are big.
You're welcome.

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I have owned a RED (2011) and now have a Phaeton (2014). The RED was an awesome coach and found the driveability to be excellent. The Phaeton is a step up with numerous upgrades. In my HO that RED is over priced. Lay your checkbook on the desk of the manager and tell him exactly what you will pay for the Phaeton or you will continue to look as there are numerous coaches out there for sale.
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Old 12-21-2014, 08:57 PM   #13
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What size RED did you have?
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For the $5K difference, go for the Phaeton. We love our RED, but if the difference was only $5K we would have a Phaeton.
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