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Old 12-21-2016, 06:04 AM   #1
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Replace Air Bags Or Shocks?

Hello and Merry Christmas!
My recently purchased 2004 Phaeton 38GH seams to lean towards the front right corner. This lean is noticeable when setting on level ground ready to travel and also is seen after performing the auto leveling procedure with the jacks. Any ideas what is causing this? I don't think it is loading because it appears the same with the slide in or out, also I think the storage bay has slightly more weight stored on the side opposite the lean.
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Old 12-21-2016, 06:57 AM   #2
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shock's don't support weight. When you self level the jacks, have you tried manually adding some more height to the right front jack? I'd also have the air bag checked to see it it has a leak and or needs ride height adjustment. Worst case scenario is you have a bent frame?? (I doubt that's the problem but worth having checked out)
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Old 12-21-2016, 07:17 AM   #3
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Agree with previous post--shocks don't affect weight distribution nor lean unless you have an air leveling system. Different issues--air bags are usually fully deflated before jacks are deployed. Both air bags and leveling jacks can and should be adjusted. Air bag height adjustment also affects 4-corner weight distribution so you need to make these adjustments with 4-corner weights in mind.
Unless damaged by road debris, double-wall air bags are usually good for the life of the avg. original owner and those who would buy it next.
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Old 12-21-2016, 07:43 AM   #4
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Hello and Merry Christmas!
My recently purchased 2004 Phaeton 38GH seams to lean towards the front right corner. This lean is noticeable when setting on level ground ready to travel and also is seen after performing the auto leveling procedure with the jacks. Any ideas what is causing this? I don't think it is loading because it appears the same with the slide in or out, also I think the storage bay has slightly more weight stored on the side opposite the lean.
Thanks in advance.
Check the ride height on all 4 corners. Could be the opposite corner is too high. Level valves can over inflate and make it look like the opposite corner is low.
Had that problem on a Newell one time.
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Old 12-21-2016, 09:34 AM   #5
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Yes I can manually adjust the leveling jack on the front corner to bring to level. I will look into adjusting the air bag once the weather warms up some.
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Yes I can manually adjust the leveling jack on the front corner to bring to level. I will look into adjusting the air bag once the weather warms up some.
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BUT""" when jacks are deployed there should be no air in the bags
so cant be a air bag issue
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Old 12-21-2016, 11:13 AM   #7
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If it leans both on the jacks and at normal ride height with the air bags inflated, I would suspect that the MH frame is involved. I have read on this forum about some having problems with the welds fracturing , letting the MH settle to one side. A closer inspection of the Mh frame may be warranted.
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If it leans both on the jacks and at normal ride height with the air bags inflated, I would suspect that the MH frame is involved. I have read on this forum about some having problems with the welds fracturing , letting the MH settle to one side. A closer inspection of the Mh frame may be warranted.
Note to OP, find out what the factory specs are for air bag ride height. Check that first of all.
Park on a flat fairly level surface and crawl under and measure the ride height, being aware that you don't get trapped under there. Otherwise, take it to shop and have it checked.
As far as the level being off with the auto leveler system, it may need to be re-calibrated. Read up on that in your manual.
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Check the ride height on all 4 corners. Could be the opposite corner is too high. Level valves can over inflate and make it look like the opposite corner is low.
Had that problem on a Newell one time.
If your FreightLiner chassis is like ours, the front levelers are controlled by only one leveler and that is on the drivers side but the rear are separate and if the left rear is off.....too high....this could push the right front down.
Does you MH tend to wander or pull to one side?
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Very right GaryK!
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I haven't noticed any wondering while driving.
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If your FreightLiner chassis is like ours, the front levelers are controlled by only one leveler and that is on the drivers side but the rear are separate and if the left rear is off.....too high....this could push the right front down.
Does you MH tend to wander or pull to one side?

BUT!!! OP says its leaning when the jacks are deployed and leveled out the air bags are empty in this position so no not rear air bags out of sync
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BUT!!! OP says its leaning when the jacks are deployed and leveled out the air bags are empty in this position so no not rear air bags out of sync
As stated, his auto level must need calibrating. Best to fix one thing at a time. If auto level will not level, it needs calibrating.
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BUT!!! OP says its leaning when the jacks are deployed and leveled out the air bags are empty in this position so no not rear air bags out of sync
I am inclined to agree but it's possible that the air suspension is out of spec and the auto level is also out of wack....that would be the easiest to check and reconcile....if not then I would suspect a broken weld on the MH body...
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