Tiffin Allegro Red vs Newmar Ventana Le

[Swaff43]

First, excuse my ignorance, but what is an RED? Out of the RVing life for 7 years, but thinking of joining again. (Looking for a used Lazy Daze). BTW we've done RV tent camping
(an Apple), Bounder MH with twin rear beds, Winnebago Adventurer (1999) and Newmar Dutch Star (2002). Going back to simple at ages 74 & 75)!

[harleyjt]

Originally Posted by Swaff43

First, excuse my ignorance, but what is an RED? Out of the RVing life for 7 years, but thinking of joining again. (Looking for a used Lazy Daze). BTW we've done RV tent camping
(an Apple), Bounder MH with twin rear beds, Winnebago Adventurer (1999) and Newmar Dutch Star (2002). Going back to simple at ages 74 & 75)!

Tiffin Allegro RED = Rear Engine Diesel. Its one of their entry level diesels, kind of the brother to the Allegro Open Road gasser. They are similarly appointed and furnished.
jt

[Hoosierfans]

Originally Posted by cgarv

2018 literature lists residential refrigerator as an option

Ooh thanks will double check that. From the dealer I was given the 2017 lit.

[Kiawah]

Originally Posted by cgarv

2018 literature lists residential refrigerator as an option

Just checked the 2018 literature, RR is still NOT available on the QBA (bunk model)

[TexasSprinter]

Just made the same decision not hours ago. Not the same models but Tiffin RED to Vantana LE. It was close, but there was a deal-breaker with the Vantana LE. The captains chairs, driver and passenger, are awful. The armrests are not adjustable, the bottom cushions are too short, and I never could adjust the seats to be comfortable. That sealed it. You'll spend a lot of time in those seats both moving and sitting still, so make sure they work for you. And Newmar said they could not be swapped for the regular Vantana seats. Deal lost.

BTW, the Tiffin has the bigger engine withat the heavier transmission and greater towing capacity, if that matters.

Niel Powers
Kerrville, TX

[Peter M]

True re engine , LE shorter coaches have the 340 and 2500 trans. Larger coaches have the 360/ 3000 trans.

[Hoosierfans]

Thanks everyone -- the decision was kind of made for us. We were leaning strongly towards the Ventana Le because of the comfort Drive and insulation (we will be winter camping bc we ski so insulatio is huge!).

The Tiffin dealer we visited twice only has a Phaeton on his lot but has REDs at his sister dealerships (which are a days drive for us -- not practical w 2 kids). He won't get a RED over for us to test drive without us putting down a deposit on an order for one!! um, $10,000 that we could lose if we decided to go w a Newmar if we didn't like how the Tiffin drove!? Not willing to do that....that's rediculous!

I guess sometimes fate intervenes and shoves you in the right direction! Thanks again for all your help!

[Desertboyz]

Originally Posted by Hoosierfans

Thanks everyone -- the decision was kind of made for us. We were leaning strongly towards the Ventana Le because of the comfort Drive and insulation (we will be winter camping bc we ski so insulatio is huge!).

I guess sometimes fate intervenes and shoves you in the right direction! Thanks again for all your help!

You made the right decision. We've full-timed in a Phaeton for over a year. We should have considered insulation from the start.

[Mark71]

Originally Posted by Lt Dan

We had a 38QRA RED for two years and it was a great coach. The QBA is basically the same body with the bunk beds and single bath. Pay attention to the storage cabinets in the Newmar slides. The cut down space in the cabinets is one reason we went with a Tiffin and have never regretted it.

Mind sharing re the handling issues?

[Russ Potteng]

New to this forum and just starting the education process myself. If all things being equal, Comfort Drive could be the game changer. At least you owe yourself a test drive to feel the difference

[Winemaker2]

Originally Posted by Peter M

True re engine , LE shorter coaches have the 340 and 2500 trans. Larger coaches have the 360/ 3000 trans.

Or you need to go up to the Ventana.
Our "new to us" 2013 Ventana 3533 has the ISB360 and Allison 3000.
It seems like a great match for a MH that size &wt.
Especially pleased w the CD

[JimN]

To continue the discussion even though the OP has moved on so to speak. We have a 16 QBA, 360/3000. We put about 13,000 miles on it in teh 15 months we've owned it and are about 98% pleased. I have a few issues that will be addressed. all minor.

As for the RV vs RR frig, we have an RV unit, we had them in the last two coaches covering 11 years of ownership. No issues. And I like that I have a lot less need to be plugged in or to run the genny.

[Kimik]

We just traded off our 2013 Tiffin 38QBA for a new Dutch Star, I know they are not comparable units. For the most part we were happy with our Tiffin, our two biggest issues:
1. Crack in the sidewall where the bedroom slide was. Tiffin told me their 5 year fiberglass shell warranty was for delimitation only not cracks....$3000 repair bill later and the repair was cosmetic only didn't fix the structural issue that lead to the crack in the first place.
2. Driving in cross winds would toss our coach all over the road.

After much research decided to test drive a Dutch Star and a Renegade Super C. Both handled great but found the interior of the Dutch Star to be more luxurious and way more basement storage.

just my two cents
Mike

[Winemaker2]

Mike
Interesting. I think you will be pleased.
We tried to work w Tiffin re furniture in a RED but could not get dealer or factory to provide any satisfactory solutions.
Found a used Newmar Ventana and are very happy.